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I'll get the torch-lit mob, you bring the pitchforks.
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I'll get the torch-lit mob, you bring the pitchforks.
Did I actually say that?
So they have to protest against whats been done by people in another country, but you don't have to protest against what's been done by people in another country?
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A drone is a weapon. Just like a gun or a missile or a bomb.
Just because someone does something bad with it doesn't make its use automatically immoral.
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Yes, if they disagree with it strongly. The reason for this is that it is being done in their name.
If they don't disagree with it strongly then of course they shouldn't protest.
We should challenge a belief when it's used to legitimise a behaviour or action involving actual harm caused.
A person holding a personal belief in a god isn't a problem, but when they take that personal belief & project it onto others - expecting them to follow the same things they do it does. (when those beliefs are a matter of opinion, not objectively the cause of suffering such as say murder/violence).
This isn't a trait exclusive to the religious, it's about projection - people don't want to sleep with men & suddenly want homosexuality to be banned, people want to be religious & abide by certain religious laws & then want everybody else to.
Freedom of religion is important, as is freedom from religion. Projecting subjective beliefs is wrong & should be stood against in whatever form it takes.
The problems within the extremist minority of Islam are so bound up with historical geopolitical, social & cultural factors is makes little sense to focus solely on the religious aspect.
Frankly it's a terrible subject to discuss, as on one side you have people too afraid to criticise certain actions/behaviours or beliefs which may cause serious social harm. On the other you have bigots/racists & halfwits who jump on the bandwagon of anything anti-Muslim under the guise of humanitarianism.
The gunmen are a prefect example of breaking the requirement of not projecting a belief, they think it's wrong to mock/Islam draw images - ergo it's wrong for others to do it. This mindset at it's core should be the focus on what to change, nobody has the right to force others to comply to a given view when no harm is caused.
Freedom of speech is an important value which at times requires sacrifice & most certainly should be fought for.
A person holding a personal belief in a god isn't a problem, but when they take that personal belief & project it onto others - expecting them to follow the same things they do it does. (when those beliefs are a matter of opinion, not objectively the cause of suffering such as say murder/violence).
This isn't a trait exclusive to the religious, it's about projection - people don't want to sleep with men & suddenly want homosexuality to be banned, people want to be religious & abide by certain religious laws & then want everybody else to.
Freedom of religion is important, as is freedom from religion. Projecting subjective beliefs is wrong & should be stood against in whatever form it takes.
The problems within the extremist minority of Islam are so bound up with historical geopolitical, social & cultural factors is makes little sense to focus solely on the religious aspect.
Frankly it's a terrible subject to discuss, as on one side you have people too afraid to criticise certain actions/behaviours or beliefs which may cause serious social harm. On the other you have bigots/racists & halfwits who jump on the bandwagon of anything anti-Muslim under the guise of humanitarianism.
The gunmen are a prefect example of breaking the requirement of not projecting a belief, they think it's wrong to mock/Islam draw images - ergo it's wrong for others to do it. This mindset at it's core should be the focus on what to change, nobody has the right to force others to comply to a given view when no harm is caused.
Freedom of speech is an important value which at times requires sacrifice & most certainly should be fought for.
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Personally I'd seek to forgive my enemies, but I know revenge attacks are part of Islam, especially against kuffir like me.
Interesting that you'd justify becoming a terrorist and then say something like that. Let me guess, collateral damage is only bad when the kuffir are doing it...
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No, but you can understand why our foreign policy and the military intervention of the west can be cited as a catalyst for radicalisation.
Indeed, I suspect that is why so many British Muslims go off and fight - they see the actions of the west as injustice.
It would be like me having a beef with your local MP and then deciding to kill most of your family because of it.
Would you be angry? Would you want justice?
Would the people in your street feel the same at the atrocity levelled at you by some foreign power who you have never wronged or done harm to?
That is the reality of 'collateral damage'. Whether it is intended or not, many people have been wrongly killed.
Two wrongs do not make a right, but I am sure you can understand why some Muslims may want to take up arms against the west.
So you would've gone to a protest if they were fine?
But would you be out on the streets protesting? And if not would that mean that your silence be seen as support for children & innocent people being killed?
Are you out on the streets protesting innocents being killed in drone strikess? And if not would that mean that your silence be seen as support for children & innocent people being killed?
So you don't believe in innocent until proven guilty?
That rules out virtually every weapon that any country has then.
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French are all about freedom of speech and at least they are consistent.....
Actually wait a minute
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4337031.stm
Seems the Christians were offended too....
Actually wait a minute
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4337031.stm
Seems the Christians were offended too....
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I have to say, if my family were killed I would want revenge. Personally, I don't feel my government would do a good enough job on my behalf.
Did they kill anyone because of this advert?
Again, thanks for highlighting an individual... You understand my point, yes? That it's ridiculous to condemn them all because of individuals.
Also, again, it would USEFUL for them to publicly condemn these actions. But I stand with a few on here that aren't surprised that they're not out in force (and it has little to do with condoning violence)...
What on earth are you banging on about?