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Coming out and saying "we condemn this event" is just lip service though? Like whenever something happens and you get the same quote from pretty much every MP/President in various countries saying how they "condemn in the strongest possible terms".
Didn't realise it was the job for Muslims to apologise on behalf of those who have nothing to do with them.

That's the point that you and others seem slow to take in.

It's everything to do with them as it was done in the name of their faith.
 
Not dissimilar to Christianity in many ways it will develop(and perhaps be abandoned?) eventually.

Hopefully, but without central authorities that change might not be so quick... Requires some major changes in interpretation amongst a whole bunch of Islamic scholars... unlikely to happen anytime soon.
 
That's the point that you and others seem slow to take in.

It's everything to do with them as it was done in the name of their faith.

Ah you mean like how all the Swedish people were out condemning the guy who fire-bombed the Mosque? By your logic I should be at a mass gathering and apologise for the systemic child abuse in the Catholic church.
 
Coming out and saying "we condemn this event" is just lip service though? Like whenever something happens and you get the same quote from pretty much every MP/President in various countries saying how they "condemn in the strongest possible terms".
Didn't realise it was the job for Muslims to apologise on behalf of those who have nothing to do with them.

These terrorists believe they are acting on behalf of all Muslims and the more people that show their disgust the more it'll drown out those that are applauding their actions.
 
I was humiliated and offended when my childhood idol Rupert bear was featured in a cartoon in OZ magazine with a huge erection.

However............. that was in 1968 or so and I have since got over it.
 
Surely the basis of all modern society is the projection of someones rules onto the populace and the decision on whether harm (real or perceived/potential) is caused by X&Y actions is subjective to those in control, and actions determined by their discretion?

Surely this is how it has to be in any state otherwise you have anarchy?
The distinction in nobody is free to live life free of offence, but you are not free to harm others.

If we want to infringe on the liberties of others (which as you say is part of society) it requires justification, if no others are harmed or exploited then it should be permitted.

Freedom of speech simply over-rides freedom from offence, being offended is a subjective reaction - the ability to speak openly is the very foundation of of a civil society.
 
That's the point that you and others seem slow to take in.

It's everything to do with them as it was done in the name of their faith.

Yes and Anders Breivik represents you and all white people, who massacred 77 people, please apologise and organise a mass rally of around 100,000. If you don't you are one of them.

You are either with us or against us.
 
We had a SodaStream ecoshop open down here in Brighton. There was a protest outside it EVERY Saturday for well over a year until it closed. The people protesting were not some radical nutters.

What has that got to do with Islam?

It's about an oppressive state stealing another states land and oppressing it's people.
 
The point is the "Muslim Community" protests very visibly about other things. That they don't protest visibly about attacks like this gives out a message.

No, it doesn't, a few mouth breathers get upset on command, they don't represent anyone but themselves. If I were to hold up a sign saying "kill all those who insult Spudbynight" does that mean I speak for you?

You think it is a disputed issue? There is general consensus on it AFAIK... the differences are over other details... such as a Muslim respecting laws of the land he lives in etc.. and who should carry out the punishment. I'd be interssted in seeing clerics arguing that death isn't the punishment for insulting the prophet or for apostacy.

Yes it is a disputed issue, the muslim guy in our office doesn't give about things like apostay and if prefectly happy to respect the law of the land he lives in. All you are doing is presenting the most etreme sect of Islam and stating it as a fact that all muslims are aherents to it.

It's a pretty transpartent arguement you are making.

You cannot negotiate with these terrorists, so bombing them with drones is the best way to deal with them. That they choose to hide among women and children to use as human shields won't stop death from above.

So you're ok with innocent children being killed then? I aks as what you've put doesn't make any sense with what you've quoted.

Christianity has progressed from killing people for heresy

But not past noncing it up a bit though eh?

Should a protestant in Austrailia have to protest against a Catholic priest in Ireland abusing children? Is the Austrialian supporting child abuse if he isn't out in the street?
 
Murderer being Muslim, killing people for insulting the prophet, punishment for insulting the prophet within Islam being death... Islam is the relevant issue there
Well, it's more that individual interpretation of Islam.

As religions develops the relationship between the holy books & the followers changes. At first being a list of laws & rules to a series of allegorical stories the reader interprets based off modern accepted morality & ethics.
 
Yes and Anders Breivik represents you and all white people, who massacred 77 people, please apologise and organise a mass rally of around 100,000. If you don't you are one of them.

You are either with us or against us.

He was a one off - who was also a loner and operated with no support from others.

There seems to be a new atrocity carried out by Muslims in the name of Islam every week at least! Often with substantial background and financial support.
 
I am not arguing against that.

The issue I have is with the lack of any protest from the muslim community against this attack. This from a community that in this country at least has taken victimhood to a new level.

What are they going to protest against?

There aren't many radical mosques that you can turn up outside and protest against. If there were the police would have got there first...

On the other hand I've seen multiple Muslims and leading members of muslim groups condemning the actions of the shooters on TV and I've hardly spent any time watching it.

If you haven't seen or read condemnation from the Muslim community then perhaps you need to start reading or watching different things.
 
He was a one off - who was also a loner and operated with no support from others.

There seems to be a new atrocity carried out by Muslims in the name of Islam every week at least! Often with substantial background and financial support.

Arguably, Norway only has a population of 5.2 million people. There are approximately 1.6 billion Muslims on Earth. So, Norway should be out apologising.
 
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Who ever fired these may be a nutter but that is a helluva tight grouping (looks like a triple tap). AK47 kicks like a bitch and is not particularly accurate. So, either this was pretty close range (7/8 metres) or this Jihadist spent some summer holidays in Syria/Lebanon/Nigeria/Sudan/Yemen/Algeria/Egypt/Libya/Afghanistan etc.
 
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