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I can assure you that this Catholic is not anti-gay. Live and let live is my motto.
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I can assure you that this Catholic is not anti-gay. Live and let live is my motto.
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No. There was some right wing that apparently praised it but none on this forum was defending the right wing by saying that he was just a bad apple. Sure there are some other far right nutters that will praise it. Just like there are other muslims that praise the attacks yesterday. The difference is that the muslims come on defending islam when they should be taking responsibility for the consequences of their religion. You can not just dismiss the interpretation of millions of people by saying that your interpretation is more correct, because they say the same thing about your interpretation.
I've not posted any figures
and again you're trying to argue a different point
it is perfectly possible to both believe that under an Islamic state someone should be killed under Islamic law for insulting the prophet whilst also simultaneously condemning these attacks and/or answering that you don't think someone should be killed in x country for insulting the prophet.
The penalty for insulting the prophet, under Islamic law, is death... it is a mainstream interpretation of Islamic law, it isn't an extreme position. Most Muslims will also note that the laws of the land you live in must be obeyed etcetc... but it is that idea, the idea that someone ought to die for insulting the prophet, that is behind these particular attacks
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age aside, I wouldn't have thought anyone would enjoy having sex with someone so drunk? I mean surely she would have just laid there, in a half passed out state
That info is so irrelevant, does it gloss over the fact that drones have killed thousands of civilians? Here is just one example
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...9cbe78-3a81-11e3-b7ba-503fb5822c3e_story.html
Drones do absolutely FA, they have infact created a new generation of so called terrorists (really they are people angry with their families being killed and their way of life being under attacked). SWAT valley as an example was just a normal tribal area, then america and her allies which includes the pakistani army which it forcefully made it join decided to bomb it to smithereens which made the people take up arms and resort to eye for an eye style retaliation which severe consequences.
This is Nabila Rehman
Her mother and her grandmother died in a drone strike, she just about survived it along with other family members. All of this happened when they were picking vegetables in their garden. Bet you have never heard of her or her case, nor would you care this its just a brown face and a muslim from some backward uncivilised part of the world.
If we had drones being flown by some foreign nation and killing off people here in the UK that it deemed undesirable, you would be outraged.
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Socialist Workers Party statement on the killings:
Scum.
Racists and right wingers are trying to use Wednesday's horrific killings in Paris to divide working people, justify imperialist intervention and whip up Islamophobia.
Almost everyone will recognise that the attacks are wrong and completely unacceptable. We must not let them be exploited to generate racism, justify more wars, or to give a boost to the far right.
The attacks came as Islamophobes, racists and fascists are on the offensive across Europe.
In France the Nazi National Front seeks to win power on the basis of racist and Islamophobic scapegoating. In Germany the Pegida movement has taken to the streets in large numbers against Muslims and immigrants.
And in Britain politicians—and Ukip in particular—seek to profit from racism.
The media present Charlie Hebdo as simply a "satirical magazine". But it is not the French equivalent of Private Eye as some commentators have suggested. It may have been once, but it has become a specialist in presenting provocative and racist attacks on Islam. That does not justify the killings, but it is essential background.
Nor should we forget that year after year imperialism has launched wars, assassinations, drone attacks and torture across the Middle East and elsewhere. Such outrages create deep hatred.
We should not be fooled into backing a war against Muslims masquerading as a fight for free speech.
Let's unite against racism and Islamophobia.
Almost everyone will recognise that the attacks are wrong and completely unacceptable. We must not let them be exploited to generate racism, justify more wars, or to give a boost to the far right.
The attacks came as Islamophobes, racists and fascists are on the offensive across Europe.
In France the Nazi National Front seeks to win power on the basis of racist and Islamophobic scapegoating. In Germany the Pegida movement has taken to the streets in large numbers against Muslims and immigrants.
And in Britain politicians—and Ukip in particular—seek to profit from racism.
The media present Charlie Hebdo as simply a "satirical magazine". But it is not the French equivalent of Private Eye as some commentators have suggested. It may have been once, but it has become a specialist in presenting provocative and racist attacks on Islam. That does not justify the killings, but it is essential background.
Nor should we forget that year after year imperialism has launched wars, assassinations, drone attacks and torture across the Middle East and elsewhere. Such outrages create deep hatred.
We should not be fooled into backing a war against Muslims masquerading as a fight for free speech.
Let's unite against racism and Islamophobia.
Scum.
So is there something about religion that seems to attract these "crazy people"? Or is there something about religion which causes normal people to turn "crazy"?
Lets face it, those cartoonists were targeted because of their drawings attacking Islam. It's pretty unlikely that the attackers just felt like killing someone and figured "I know, lets kill those guys and blame it on Islam", so there must have been something which caused them to decide "those guys deserve to die".
It may not be 100% religion's fault, but it certainly gives an easy scapegoat and justification for someone who may not be "all there".
So you're saying those cartoonists would have been killed by those gunmen if Islam wasn't involved in any way?
Pointing out that people can claim they killed in the name god, prohibit, religion etc. But if that religion forbids its then you can't go around blaming that religion.
Its a very stupid and arrogant way of looking at things for example, should I believe that all Catholics believe in paedophilia because of many case of catholic priests sexually abusing children? NO why? because the bible does not preach paedophilia
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That info is so irrelevant, does it gloss over the fact that drones have killed thousands of civilians? Here is just one example
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...9cbe78-3a81-11e3-b7ba-503fb5822c3e_story.html
Drones do absolutely FA, they have infact created a new generation of so called terrorists (really they are people angry with their families being killed and their way of life being under attacked). SWAT valley as an example was just a normal tribal area, then america and her allies which includes the pakistani army which it forcefully made it join decided to bomb it to smithereens which made the people take up arms and resort to eye for an eye style retaliation which severe consequences.
This is Nabila Rehman
Her mother and her grandmother died in a drone strike, she just about survived it along with other family members. All of this happened when they were picking vegetables in their garden. Bet you have never heard of her or her case, nor would you care this its just a brown face and a muslim from some backward uncivilised part of the world.
If we had drones being flown by some foreign nation and killing off people here in the UK that it deemed undesirable, you would be outraged.
I find this extremely insulting to be honest. You come in a thread about muslims killing cartoonist to try and justify and rationalize their behaviour? You should be ashamed of yourself.
You would. Perhaps they've spent it, perhaps they lost it. Perhaps they didn't plan anything and Allah is giving them all the luck in the world.
I used religion as an example but really "crazy people" in this instance will fid something to become up in arms about (in my opinion!).
The fact that religion is still widely accepted as being deep rooted into the culture and even law of countries and ethnicities does definitely appear to help facilitate it a bit more in this case. And possibly even give people a cause to agree with some of the grounds behind these actions.
But that's not to say that some kind of killings would not have occurred for some reason or another by these same unhinged people. And that's not to say that the religion itself should be held completely accountable(I realise that's not what you're saying, just reiterating) and nor should the ordinary people who hold some (if not all) if the same or similar religious beliefs(until it is proved otherwise that their beliefs are in line with extremists).
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So why aren't there 1-2 relatives of innocent civilians killed by Islamic terrorists picking up arms and fighting Al-Queda/Islamic State? Decent people search for the truth and justice in the event of such tragedies and ultimately seek to forgive the perpetrators.
Quite often these relatives of drone strike victims already harbour sympathies towards Islamic extremism. IMO it's not the fact that their relatives are dead that outrages them, it's that they were killed by kuffir.
They are spot on.
So you believe that most European Muslims believe people should be killed for insulting Islam? Much like every other religion, including Christianity (which has similar clauses including stoning and death for relatively minor infractions), just because one teaching of a religion (or even one interpretation of a book) says so does not mean people actually believe it or follow it.
I think you will be hard pressed in Europe to find many Muslims that hold the view that Islam says insulting the prophet should mean death, much like you won't find many Christians that hold the view that Christianity calls for the stoning/death of adulterers.
The whole argument about Islamic law is leading you down the wrong path, most European Muslims don't want to follow Islamic law, not that there is actually any universal "Islamic law", it's dependent on the state, much like "Christian law" which is the cornerstone of most English speaking states.
I think you will be hard pressed in Europe to find many Muslims that hold the view that Islam says insulting the prophet should mean death, much like you won't find many Christians that hold the view that Christianity calls for the stoning/death of adulterers.
The whole argument about Islamic law is leading you down the wrong path, most European Muslims don't want to follow Islamic law, not that there is actually any universal "Islamic law", it's dependent on the state, much like "Christian law" which is the cornerstone of most English speaking states.
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Except we don't have the Taliban running around in our back yards
But yea its all the wests fault right?
This video strikes a chord at the moment seeing as he mentions the cartoons.
That info is so irrelevant, does it gloss over the fact that drones have killed thousands of civilians? Here is just one example
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...9cbe78-3a81-11e3-b7ba-503fb5822c3e_story.html
Drones do absolutely FA, they have infact created a new generation of so called terrorists (really they are people angry with their families being killed and their way of life being under attacked). SWAT valley as an example was just a normal tribal area, then america and her allies which includes the pakistani army which it forcefully made it join decided to bomb it to smithereens which made the people take up arms and resort to eye for an eye style retaliation which severe consequences.
This is Nabila Rehman
Her mother and her grandmother died in a drone strike, she just about survived it along with other family members. All of this happened when they were picking vegetables in their garden. Bet you have never heard of her or her case, nor would you care this its just a brown face and a muslim from some backward uncivilised part of the world.
If we had drones being flown by some foreign nation and killing off people here in the UK that it deemed undesirable, you would be outraged.
Always two sides to any story, thank you for sharing.
Preposterous to say you should be ashamed for doing so and anyone saying so maybe needs to look deeply into who they are truly in bed with.
It reminds me of a US soldier who's job it was to direct bomb strikes on the ground in Afghanistan, before 9/11 I hasten to add. These strikes he himself said he reported as looking unthreatning targets on multiple occaisions.
Very thought provoking.
Police Municipale are not normally armed, but can be at the request of the Mayor. Police Nationale are armed, and the Gendarmerie are armed (but they are a unit of the Army).
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Your disgusting attitude and behaviour would be akin to me going in to the Anders Behring Breivik thread and complaining about immigration and cultural marxism. Where i would imagine you would call me a racist and so on.
It is no surprise that even when muslims attack the very essence of western society and that multiculturalist will find a way to twist it in to a "so called right wing is racist if they complain about it"
I think its about time religious just shut up. Just shut your mouth. Your opinion is rarely that interesting or valuable and in this instance its less so.