Shooting at French Satirical Magazine

lemonade said:
Apart from the fact that Pakistan was coerced and dragged into the war on terror under Mr Musharraf, they have objected to and told the Americans many times to stop the drone strikes, half the time it was violation of their sovereignty too.

As for Al-Qaida hiding, most of the people living in these areas have lived here all their lives generations after generations, it is their homes, their farms, lands, their livelihood, their life, why would they leave? and what makes you think they know some Al Qaida operatives are driving past their village or is hiding under a tent next door.
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Pakistan gets equipment and money from the US and the US gets to operate drones to kill people who want to attack them. Hiding in small villages people will know who they are, it won't be a secret.
 
lemonade said:
Who should come and hand over militants? A 10 year old child should come and hand over Bin Laden to the authorities, otherwise be killed by a drone. Okey doke.
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Are you trying to tell me these people living in tiny hamlets and villages don't know al-qaeda are living and operating there? They'll probably be related to some of these militants or welcoming them back. If you want to give refuge to these people and live in an area where drones operate then you are in deep trouble.
 
Above&Beyond said:
Are you trying to tell me these people living in tiny hamlets and villages don't know al-qaeda are living and operating there? They'll probably be related to some of these militants or welcoming them back. If you want to give refuge to these people and live in an area where drones operate then you are in deep trouble.
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I take it you say the above having been a tier one operator outside the wire on the moon dust as a meat eater?
 
Freefaller said:
I just hope that we don't retaliate the way they want us to - i.e. all out war and right wingism. This will be a dark time if we head down that route.
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So what do you think the reaction should be? The standard response by western countries following a terrorist attack has been to a) politicians express outrage, closely followed-up by reminding everyone that the vast majority of Muslims don't support these attacks, b) a protest against the terror attacks by those are threatened, c) get back to normal, d) cut funding to security services and/or impose strict laws and policies that actually hamper the security services from doing their jobs under the guise of human rights. Would you just do this again or would you change something? My contention is that this response isn't working.
 
The Funktopus said:
It's just breaking now that there's been two arrests in Paris over the shooting of the Police woman this morning, perhaps that's what TypeRich was referring to?
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I was referring to the mods clearing up a few offensive posts and suspending a certain someone on the forum.

I'm quite surprised the actual situation hasn't come to an end yet although I can't see them just handing themselves in either, whatever happens I hope there is no more unnecessary loss of life.
 
Hopefully the authorities can get control of the situation and bring these guys in. My worry is as the net inevitably tightens around them they're forced into drastic actions in a means to escape or evade (or even worse to go out with a bang).

RIP.
 
scorza said:
So what do you think the reaction should be? The standard response by western countries following a terrorist attack has been to a) politicians express outrage, closely followed-up by reminding everyone that the vast majority of Muslims don't support these attacks, b) a protest against the terror attacks by those are threatened, c) get back to normal, d) cut funding to security services and/or impose strict laws and policies that actually hamper the security services from doing their jobs under the guise of human rights. Would you just do this again or would you change something? My contention is that this response isn't working.
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Well as the "West" we've tried the war on terror, and that's not really getting us anywhere.

I don't really know the answer - we need to be brave, and we need to somehow get the silent majority to be vocal and rise against their "leaders" and be very clear that this behaviour in the name of <insert whatever ideology or country here> is unacceptable. The stronger the resistance to this behaviour, the stronger the condemnation and lack of acceptance, the sooner the extreme few will be found, the more likely it will be for someone to pass the right information to apprehend the right people.. And the sooner this sort of extremism will die down - perhaps.

I know it's a lot of ifs and buts, but I don't really have the answer. I just don't believe in fighting fire with fire in this instance, as all that will lead to is far more death and destruction and sadness. I guess I'm blindly hoping that we have learned from our numerous lessons of the past to realise that this obliteration of one another is no longer the way to behave.

It's so easy to say, "ban this, forbid that, exclude this..." and then create a less than free state, but that "utopia" won't last. Banning say Islam, or meat or non PC jokes, or making all these things arrestable or deporting people for such things will not solve the problem, but will just throw petrol on the fire. IT may subdue it temporarily, slow it down, but the momentum of another discontentment will ensue and the cycle starts over again.

It's just as easy to say, nuke them all - but who are "them"? We don't even know what this is all about. It's tantamount to bullying really.

Do I think we should be able to make non PC jokes and not be shot for it? Yes of course. Do I think that sometimes people don't think that some things may be hugely hurtful or offensive? Yes. Do I think anything justifies the eradication or killing of people? No definitely not.

Just to make it abundantly clear, I stand in solidarity with my French compatriots towards this act, and find it shocking, saddening and confusing. Do I want blood? No. Do I want to understand and stop this from happening again, yes.
 
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