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[Tefal]

Oh so you don't denounce Islam, you denounce certain extremist ideologies. So why say you denounce Islam, why not be more specific?

but its not extreme mist even the most moderate interpretation of Islam says nonbelievers should be taxed or killed.

thats definitely something I denounce.


Why do you support the execution/extortion of people who do not follow Islam?

please i happily await your justification of this tenant of the religion.

 

[Zethor]

Women's rights in Turkey have taken a backward step recently, the Islamic AK party repealing the laws on marital rape for example.

Best denounce the US too then, since women rights have recently taken a hit in Texas:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Senate_Bill_5

and the extrajudicial kills reported every year by amnesty?

What about them? Are the extrajudicial kills in Brazil related to Islam as well?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/08/brazil-police-accused-of-_n_384259.html

Why do you support the execution/extortion of people who do not follow Islam?

please i happily await your justification of this tenant of the religion.

Where did I say I supported that? I gave examples of hundreds of millions of Muslims who are in no way connected to violence or terror and I was wondering why those people have to be in the same basket as the extremists? Why must their religion be denounced?

 

[lemonade]

Turkey isn't a great example given what's going on there at the moment - I used to support their entry to the EU but since they elected their Islamist government I think they'd be a disaster. I know a lot of Turks aren't happy with the direction their country is going in, I hope they can reverse course peacefully, however the pessimist in me tells me they won't

Sorry to burst your bubble but the overwhelming majority of Turks support and vote for the current ruling party, most of the populous are also religious people. He is the most popular leader in their times and has actually changed the country for the good. The previous staunchly secular and anti-religion establishment was pretty much a disastrous time who built their own state within a state, much like many of the Arab states. Erdogan however is an example of someone whose power has gone to his head and is treading some hot waters.

I don't think Turkey are much interested in entering Europe anymore either, as they know they won't be allowed in being a mostly muslim nation, thats why a lot of the foreign policy and attention has headed towards east and building bridges there. So no need to worry.

 

[Tefal]

Where did I say I supported that? I gave examples of hundreds of millions of Muslims who are in no way connected to violence or terror and I was wondering why those people have to be in the same basket as the extremists? Why must their religion be denounced?

because thats part of the religion.

your the one who keeps bringing up the people.

sop basically your saying "Islam is ok, as long as you ignore large parts of it to make it ok"


in which case why call it Islam?

may as well call it "the religion i made up because i dint like the old one"

 

[Tefal]

Best denounce the US too then, since women rights have recently taken a hit in Texas:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Senate_Bill_5

requiring abortion clinics to meets certain medical standards and doctors have admitting privileges at hospitals is equivalent to legalizing the forced rape of a woman to you?


impressive.

 

[Above&Beyond]

Sorry to burst your bubble but the overwhelming majority of Turks support and vote for the current ruling party, most of the populous are also religious people. He is the most popular leader in their times and has actually changed the country for the good. The previous staunchly secular and anti-religion establishment was pretty much a disastrous time who built their own state within a state, much like many of the Arab states. Erdogan however is an example of someone whose power has gone to his head and is treading some hot waters.

I don't think Turkey are much interested in entering Europe anymore either, as they know they won't be allowed in being a mostly muslim nation, thats why a lot of the foreign policy and attention has headed towards east and building bridges there. So no need to worry.

The deputy PM still wanting women banned from laughing in public?

 

[scorza]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Paris-police-officers-seriously-wounded.html

Dunno if it's been posted earlier but just seen the picture of the policewoman killed this morning. Such a shame that a beautiful young woman has been killed by these animals, if reports are to be believe a street sweeper, also killed, attacked the gunmen that shot her in the back.

 

[Zethor]

because thats part of the religion.

your the one who keeps bringing up the people.

sop basically your saying "Islam is ok, as long as you ignore large parts of it to make it ok"


in which case why call it Islam?

may as well call it "the religion i made up because i dint like the old one"

Islam is indeed ok as long as you ignore parts of it, just like any other religion.

Did you denounce Christianity when the "100 percent Christian" , "modern-day crusader" Breivik slaughtered ~200 children?

requiring abortion clinics to meets certain medical standards and doctors have admitting privileges at hospitals is equivalent to legalizing the forced rape of a woman to you?

impressive.

Equivalent? No. Attack on women's rights? Definitely. My point was, the problem in the US and Turkey is far right conservatorism, not Christianity or Islam.

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

Oh so you don't denounce Islam, you denounce certain extremist ideologies. So why say you denounce Islam, why not be more specific?

No, I denounce Islam.

Good people choose to ignore the barbaric parts of the teaching and good on them.

But they are still there arent they.

Even followers technically denounce it as they pick and choose what they want. In my eyes, that makes them good people. They are often culturally adjusted.

The ones who treat it as a personal relationship with God, seem to be the best adjusted. They don't take on an establishment as their ruler and guide. I have no issue with these individuals and that accounts for millions of people.

You could have someone who went to sunday school, might go to Church at Christmas, identify themselves as a Christian and celebrates Christmas. It's cultural and traditional. I actually like this part of Religion.

If you see the buildings in places like Istanbul and the remainder of the Ottoman empire, you see how beautiful culturally the Islamic culture can be.

I will give you a good example.

Lovely lass I know. She wears the hijab. Beautiful Persian woman with green eyes. Hot as they come. In a different life, I would like to be with her. But I never could because it's likely someone in her family would have her killed.... because of Islam. Simple as that.

 

[RDM]

Best denounce the US too then, since women rights have recently taken a hit in Texas:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Senate_Bill_5

If it makes you feel any better I am equally against US conservatives attempting to restrict access to abortion. But then I am not trying to hold up the US as a paragon of Evangelical Christianity being a "good" thing.

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

Islam is indeed ok as long as you ignore parts of it, just like any other religion.

Did you denounce Christianity when the "100 percent Christian" , "modern-day crusader" Breivik slaughtered ~200 children?




Equivalent? No. Attack on women's rights? Definitely. My point was, the problem in the US and Turkey is far right conservatorism, not Christianity or Islam.

Actually, I do denounce Christianity as a ruling faction.

Like Islam, Christianity and Government never mix too well.

 

[spudbynight]

Equivalent? No. Attack on women's rights? Definitely. My point was, the problem in the US and Turkey is far right conservatorism, not Christianity or Islam.

I don't believe women have a right to kill their unborn children. I've checked the usual sources (Universal Declaration of Human Rights etc) and none of them seem to include it.

In fact abortion (both voluntary and involuntary) was denounced during the Nuremberg trials as a crime against humanity.

 

[Kill_Phil]

Quite the heated debate going on eh fellas?

Anyhow, all region should be banned tbh, causes untold problems throughout the world; though then again these nut jobs would just use some other excuse no doubt.

Just feel saddened by how other's treat our fellow human's

 

[spudbynight]

Anyhow, all region should be banned tbh,

The communists tried that....Stalin killed millions in the process.

 

[thep02]

The same reason they stood by while all of those kids in Rotherham were allowed to be abused by Asian organised gangs.

Left wing apologists, mid to upper class who themselves refuse to live among them.

It's middle class white people in positions of power that are the problem.

This won't end until all of society is truly treated equal on all fronts.

Many prostitutes are made while they are very young often they come from the care system, there are tens of thousands of them in the UK and nearly as many pimps of all races, I know more than a hundred prostitutes and most of them are or were tortured into becoming prostitutes, about 2% of the pimps I know are muslim.

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

The communists tried that....Stalin killed millions in the process.

It should be banned from policy and politics. Should be a lifestyle choice and nothing else.

No business or person should be forced to adapt for it.

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

Many prostitutes are made while they are very young often they come from the care system, there are tens of thousands of them in the UK and nearly as many pimps of all races, I know more than a hundred prostitutes and most of them are or were tortured into becoming prostitutes, about 2% of the pimps I know are muslim.

I wasn't talking about Muslims in that instance. Was more the fact middle class white people were too scared to offend a minority so didn't act.

 

[Freefaller]

Fair enough - it takes a brave man to admit when they don't have any answers, if only our politicians could be as brave. For me, blood isn't the answer, but neither is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. We need to be brave and try different things and find out what works and what doesn't. In the west, we've gotten soft, decadent and torpid - this needs to recognised and reversed. It's not about pointless violence in retaliation, it's about taking the right actions at the right time and having the right laws in place that facilitate this and don't offer sanctuary to the same people that don't recognise the rule of law.

That I don't disagree with at all. Thanks for taking the time to hear me out

 

[dirtychinchilla]

Muslims have spoken out.

 

[platypus]

After this attack, there were mock calculations on Twitter that showed 30-35% of Arabic speakers were in support of this attack.

That is 1 in 3 humans of one religious group that cannot be trusted, by that equation.

Now imagine that metric is accurate. What can you do with that?

Why, for one second, would you even entertain the idea that that "metric" is accurate?