Oh, yea, I forgot, we only live in a binary world....it's not like different groups could have different reasons for their actions.
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Oh, yea, I forgot, we only live in a binary world....it's not like different groups could have different reasons for their actions.
Boko Haram's stated aim is to ban western style education, so should we appease them in the same way as some advocate appeasing the Charlie Hebdo murderers?
Funny you mention that - The actual term muslims use to refer to the likes of Boko Haram and ISIL is 'khwarij' Anyone actually interested in learning about a muslims stance on these extremists should investigate that term:
This covers it loosely but its more complicated:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khawarij
Funny also that you mention Nigeria but only in the context of muslim atrocities.
Two thousand muslims were butchered on Friday (mainly women and children) and Christian Militia in the CAR butchered a few hundred moreover the weekend. I remained silent on purpose regarding this but it's amazing how the likes of Scorza seem to overlook these atrocities by anyone other than Muslims ain't it?
Various UN reports say Christian Militia have been carrying out ethnic cleansing of the Muslim population in Nigeria but all we seem to hear about is 'Boko Haram'. You don't hear about the Seleka coalition nor the anti-balaka one which are responsible for war crimes according to the UN much do we?
Africa is a right mess at the moment - but all we seem to get from the mainstream media and the likes of scorza are stories about the 'muslamics' Boko Haram
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/afric...ethnically-cleansed-car-2015196546788288.html
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In my lifetime no-one seems to have cared as various Africans have butchered and raped each other. The only time people have cared is when there has been a famine. And those have generally been caused by the wars that were never really covered in the press. It is quite obvious the press in this case are highlighting violence instigated by Muslims just because it is more news worthy for them. Yes, Islam can be used and interpreted to condone violence but the context you chaps are placing it then I can't help but feel the violence would still happen if you removed all religion from Africa. I think this is fundamentally different from the Paris attacks where you have a group of people who may well have committed crime but seem to have upped the level of severity due to their beliefs. I think that is an important difference.
I have to say that I agree with you.
I also have to say that I gave up a few pages back. Sometimes peoples' minds just aren't worth trying to change. However sad that may be.
Maybe the actions across Europe are also suitably complex where Foreign policy is just one of several reasons why there is a problem with Islamic extremism?
Not entirely the fault of the press, they are controlled somewhat by the state, watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0IFoitrkzs, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_You_Don't_See
I think in this particular case i agree, Africa has a completely it's own set of problems and causes and has been a wrack for a 100 years. We'd have peace in the middle-east long before Africa's problems get resolved.
Funny you mention that - The actual term muslims use to refer to the likes of Boko Haram and ISIL is 'khwarij' Anyone actually interested in learning about a muslims stance on these extremists should investigate that term:
This covers it loosely but its more complicated:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khawarij
Funny also that you mention Nigeria but only in the context of muslim atrocities.
Two thousand muslims were butchered on Friday (mainly women and children) and Christian Militia in the CAR butchered a few hundred moreover the weekend. I remained silent on purpose regarding this but it's amazing how the likes of Scorza seem to overlook these atrocities by anyone other than Muslims ain't it?
Various UN reports say Christian Militia have been carrying out ethnic cleansing of the Muslim population in Nigeria but all we seem to hear about is 'Boko Haram'. You don't hear about the Seleka coalition nor the anti-balaka one which are responsible for war crimes according to the UN much do we?
Africa is a right mess at the moment - but all we seem to get from the mainstream media and the likes of scorza are stories about the 'muslamics' Boko Haram
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/afric...ethnically-cleansed-car-2015196546788288.html
A couple of points here; firstly I read the Boko Haram wiki page and it said they were Salafists/Wahabis i.e. extremists Sunnis, same as Al-Queda/Islamic State - no mention of your Khawarij and the description in the wiki article you linked doesn't really describe BH either.
Secondly I condemn all violence whether it is carried out by Muslims or Christians or anyone else. I am aware of the ongoing problems in CAR, and given the context of this thread I feel I must point out that it is France who have sent troops into that country to protect civilians, including Muslim civilians.
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That's a rather facile observation. Freedom of speech is at the heart of the modern civilisations which appear to be mankind's only hope of clawing its way out of the medieval mire which bogs down so many nations and leads to mass migration.
You can argue that great economies like China can exist without free speech, but modern China only exists because it feeds off the stability of the civilised (but far from infallible) West.
Avoidable lives lost are always deplorable, which is why we pour aid in multiple forms (some helpful, some not, but nearly all of it well-intentioned) into all parts of the underdeveloped world. But core values of civilisation are, arguably, more important than our transient lives, and it is this which explains our collective reaction, not some simple local self-interest.
8th century ce evangelism trying to grab territory and population off the fading Byzantine empire and gain supremacy over other groups attempting to take advantage of the shrinking power of Byzantine, I guess.
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Interpretation, context, translation etc. You know, all the same excuses that are trotted out when your religion says something bad/ridiculous.
Crusaders were not following instruction of the Bible b.t.w.
O.k. Interpret these please.
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 484: - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
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Sounds like a counter attack to me.
Thanks for not bothering to read my post and rambling on about something completely unrelated to it. May be take the time to actually read the post and the other ones I have made in this thread before taking that tack, eh.
If you just want a platform for your little soundbite then no need to reply to my post.
Well may be god thought Jesus had it wrong about turning the cheek just like he changed his mind about the old Hebrew rules he gave Abe and Mo and now he wanted his followers to re take land they'd been chucked out of by warfare from some other group who had kicked them out of some turf.