Shooting at French Satirical Magazine

Smithy said:
Dowie it's clear from your posts that you really don't know anything about Islam. Please stop talking about it. You're doing more harm than you realise by perpetuating a negative image.
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It's pretty clear that posts like that add nothing.

If you think the points I've raised are incorrect then challenge them...
 
dowie said:
yup and I explained why...



so rare that the bloke who's wife was killed in front of the court was a murderer of his first wife himself and got away with it under that law

frankly that is total BS*



It is though, I've given you the example already the husband of the woman who was killed in front of the court case was also a murderer himself - he deliberately killed his first wife and was able to use Pakistani Law to get away with it by simply having his own son forgive him... That is as bad as I'm making it out to be and it is a documented example.

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Hardly a rare use of the law:

http://www.irinnews.org/report/70575/pakistan-honour-killings-continue-despite-law



So yeah I'll stick to my argument - Pakistan is a **** example as far as women's rights are concerned... regardless of electing a female leader.
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So you've found one example and think this is how the country treats women as a whole, it's like me quoting a football hooligan whose drunk and beats his partner up and then saying this is why women in England are treated as scum.

Then you totally ignore that most of the population voted for a woman as prime minister and she still had a lot of popular support before she was assassinated.

I'm not saying it's the best place for women far from it but to over exaggerate and tar the whole country with one brush is ignoring reality. In the major cities women walk around with jeans, there's women in government, entertainment and the armed forces.
 
It is a Pakistani law I'm criticising not just the behaviour of a small minority of people. You chose Pakistan as an example because they elected a female leader, I'm pointing out it is a bad example as thousands of women are killed in honour killings which the authorities don't take seriously and which the Pakistani legal system allows people to get away with.
 
Jono8 said:
I completely understand that it is against Islam and "blasphemous" to draw a picture or representation of the prophet Muhammad but the writers of Charlie Hebdo are not Muslim. Therefore they are not bound by the rules set out in the faith of Islam.
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Part of society is choosing to tolerate other people's quirks, from driving 1mph slower than you want to drive to cutting their lawn before you've woken up to not saying things that might offend, like you look fat or your sky pixie is the worst example of humanity in our entire history.

We are not bound by their barbaric religion but we can choose to be annoyed or not, if you want to be polite say nothing, if you are fed up with folowers of Islam butchering half the planet then take the pee.
 
B&W said:
So you've found one example and think this is how the country treats women as a whole, it's like me quoting a football hooligan whose drunk and beats his partner up and then saying this is why women in England are treated as scum.
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You can judge a country by what is tolerated, football thuggery isn't tolerated in the UK, misogynist attitudes are tolerated in Pakistan. Some cultures are more rapey than others.
 
Fuzz said:
Pat condels on a roll :)
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This guy is complete tool, he has lot more in common with ISIS than any Muslim that follows his religion correctly. He grabs sentence out of verses and takes it out context a lot of naive idiots fall for the trap.

 
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ak22 said:
This guy is complete tool, he has lot more in common with ISIS than any Muslim that follows his religion correctly. He grabs sentence out of verses and takes it out context a lot of naive idiots fall for the trap.

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So they say one thing but do another and blame everyone else. Time to ban religion.
 
Jono8 said:
What truly irritates me about this is the fact that it was not a Muslim who drew it.

I completely understand that it is against Islam and "blasphemous" to draw a picture or representation of the prophet Muhammad but the writers of Charlie Hebdo are not Muslim. Therefore they are not bound by the rules set out in the faith of Islam.

By the same token, extremists should get just as angry about non Muslims eating pork or non halal meat or not following any other of the Muslim laws and traditions.

This was a French publication, and the picture was drawn by French people who were not Muslim. I therefore fail to see what they did wrong, even in the eyes of extremist Muslims.

Essentially, the extremists believe that the whole world should abide by Islamic laws.
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Its probably been argued over a thousand times, and what with the Pope saying it, what happens if someone calls your mum a fat biffer who sells herself to local pedos?

Basically, this is the argument that my Muslim friends have been trying to sell me. They see their prophet as someone who is so highly regarded... so highly regarded that they put him before their own family, so when someone does something that is effectively mocking him (or however they say it is by drawing him), then they see it as an attack on them.

I can see why they get angry.

Still though... it doesn't give you the right to kill someone.
 
leaskovski said:
Its probably been argued over a thousand times, and what with the Pope saying it, what happens if someone calls your mum a fat biffer who sells herself to local pedos?
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Kill them.

Basically, this is the argument that my Muslim friends have been trying to sell me. They see their prophet as someone who is so highly regarded... so highly regarded that they put him before their own family, so when someone does something that is effectively mocking him (or however they say it is by drawing him), then they see it as an attack on them.

I can see why they get angry.
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The power of indoctrination.
 
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