That's why I phrased my reply in the manner I did because I didn't disagree with what you wrote though I still stood by my point which your point didn't refute.
Just how nutty are the Green party?
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That's why I phrased my reply in the manner I did because I didn't disagree with what you wrote though I still stood by my point which your point didn't refute.
Ridiculous beyond belief.
given how much care people show their cars, that basically means he's in favor of massive wide scale animal abuse.
Care to tell me where I made a generalisation Dolph. Because I quite deliberately said the "majority". And I stand by what I said if the Greens got in (which they won't) and implemented what they say (which they couldn't) and it did bring forrth economic decline (well the coalition and Labour have this covered anyway) then people would still have "what they need" what people on these forums mainly moan about is things that impact "what they want". Big difference.
I just find it ironic that people call the Greens nutty. I'll tell you what is really nutty building two aircraft carriers without any decent aircraft to put them on, trashing a health system that is the envy of the world (by design at least if not in implementation anymore), selling your gold reserves in a panic measure, allowing law and government to be dictated by corporations, selling off your social housing stock without replacing it, propping up the buy-to-let market after one almighty housing bubble caused a global recession, and accepting austerity measures imparted by people who quafe champagne at our expense. All pretty nutty if you ask me.
TBH I am in he same boat as you Dolph I wouldn't vote green and also like you I don't really see any viable alternative because all the parties have really onerous parts to their manifestos. It's a bit worrying really.
I've tried arguing with him the point that if greens had their way it wouldn't matter one bit in the grand scheme of the world. We would regress into a less significant state whilst the rest of the world continued about it's usual affairs. It would be a shot in the proverbial foot.
That is a pathetic argument even by your standards.
Regarding the Greens, my issue with them is some of the hippy BS policies where they abandon the facts & hard evidence. I don't want alternative medicine unsupported by science, I want all policies to have passed scientific & statistical scrutiny.
Overall they do have a greater proportion of evidence backed policies than many of the major political groups - but that's not exactly difficult when most of them are ideologically driven as opposed to evidence based.
The chiché typical Green supporter is the type I usually can't stand, giving left wing sensible politics a bad name by adding random & knee jerk (the other way) crazy policies.
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But big pharm man, it's an evil money making machine!
This is what bothers me most. The people I have experienced who support green are either neo-liberal communists or just hippies who want to fight the power / stick it to the man. The latter seem the most dangerous given they'd vote any old party with any old manifesto so long as it seems to be giving the middle finger.
This is what bothers me most. The people I have experienced who support green are either neo-liberal communists or just hippies who want to fight the power / stick it to the man. The latter seem the most dangerous given they'd vote any old party with any old manifesto so long as it seems to be giving the middle finger.
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Sadly it's the truth with all political entities, the Conservatives have a mix of traditionalists who are socially regressive along with a number who simply advocate right with economic theory (but agree with progressive social changes).
The Green party just attract that sub-set I really can't stand myself, removing the overly hippy friendly policies (which are of no plausible social benefit) & renaming the party/dropping the image would go a long way to giving them wider scale appeal.
It's not a case of 'abandoning principles', but more of a case to stop being unnecessarily divisive on matters which are going to put off the electorate without any substantial social gain.
The Green party just attract that sub-set I really can't stand myself, removing the overly hippy friendly policies (which are of no plausible social benefit) & renaming the party/dropping the image would go a long way to giving them wider scale appeal.
It's not a case of 'abandoning principles', but more of a case to stop being unnecessarily divisive on matters which are going to put off the electorate without any substantial social gain.
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A big problem with democracy is that any bunch of imbeciles can create a party and convince the rest of the imbeciles in the country to vote for them. Add in the fact that most of the population are anti-capitalist and think that they can vote their way to becoming rich and you have a recipe for disaster. It could very easily end up being a communist country and there is nothing any one could do about it. As, if the population votes for communism (obviously rebranded as green or labour or "capitalism without the injustices" coined neo-communism by me) then that is legitimate use of democracy.
agreed, everyone who thought that they were voting in a hippy-help-the-people kinda way feel they got burnt and will never support the greens again.
I think you are right in the prediction that they will lose the seat after 1 term due to alienating the very people that brought them a seat in parliment. However other areas may not be aware of how the greens opperate and they could get seats else where as a result of anti ukip voting and mass avoidance of the "big 3"
If they win brighton again I'm moving out!
It's exactly the same as what we saw with the LibDems...
I know loads of people (mainly students at the time) who bought into the LibDem manifesto and policies. Lapping up their sound bites, claiming how great they are.
The TV debates just gave them more air time to rally more supporters.
Now look at them... everyone who I know voted for them is ashamed they did, and have since grown up thankfully.
The same will happen to the Green Party.
Not all of them, but a frightening amount are. At least enough to cause problems.
I know loads of people (mainly students at the time) who bought into the LibDem manifesto and policies. Lapping up their sound bites, claiming how great they are.
The TV debates just gave them more air time to rally more supporters.
Now look at them... everyone who I know voted for them is ashamed they did, and have since grown up thankfully.
The same will happen to the Green Party.
Not all of them, but a frightening amount are. At least enough to cause problems.
Spend a couple of moments speaking to pretty much anybody about politics reinforces my views about democracy.
We should be doing what works & what causes the least amount of unnecessary suffering with the lowest net social impact in the long term - not what people think will work or what either ideology likes to fantasise will. Reality isn't simple, complex systems involve thought & study to appreciate the complexity - be that our criminal justice system, economics or the environment.
A political party with long term evidence backed policies & ideas & solutions which go against conventional wisdom (which much of reality does) is doomed to fail in our current democratic system.
People like sound-bites, quick solutions, scapegoats & policies which appeal to 'common sense' thought.
Sadly reality doesn't conform to this preference.
We should be doing what works & what causes the least amount of unnecessary suffering with the lowest net social impact in the long term - not what people think will work or what either ideology likes to fantasise will. Reality isn't simple, complex systems involve thought & study to appreciate the complexity - be that our criminal justice system, economics or the environment.
A political party with long term evidence backed policies & ideas & solutions which go against conventional wisdom (which much of reality does) is doomed to fail in our current democratic system.
People like sound-bites, quick solutions, scapegoats & policies which appeal to 'common sense' thought.
Sadly reality doesn't conform to this preference.
Agreed, but political parties work in the here and now, unfortunately. They first want to win supporters to get in. Then they will make short term solutions, to see immediate 'benefits'. They don't want long term benefits just incase the opposition get in and benefit from all their hard work...
It 's either that or extremely long term 'solutions'. Where the likes of us alive today will not be around to see if what they did was right or not... avoiding any blowback that might come their way.