ISIS and Islamic militants - discussion

chunk · 4 Feb 2015 at 09:27

you're making ludicrous simplistic generalisations of an incredibly complex problem.

Will21st · 4 Feb 2015 at 09:30

chunk said:
you're making ludicrous simplistic generalisations of an incredibly complex problem.

no, I'm the one who doesn't like to appease barbaric ideologies trying to destroy our way of life.

chunk · 4 Feb 2015 at 09:31

How about you explain to me how a tiny fraction of Muslims behaving badly is "Islam being at war with the world"

Go on I'm waiting, you both seem so well educated on the subject...

Dj_Jestar · 4 Feb 2015 at 09:32

Tefal said:
pretty sure the prevailing opinion outside of immigrant Muslim communities in Britain is that he should be hung if we ever find him.

short of building a gallows not sure how much more of a stand the common man can make?

suppose they could beat the living **** out of the ISIS supporters when they come out in thier "protests" but not sure thats the best course of action.

and it's been pretty clear that the Muslim communities are against ISIS. Clerics left right and centre all publicly and officially condemn their actions. So what special things are expected of them on top of this?

Dj_Jestar · 4 Feb 2015 at 09:34

bitslice said:
You can justify a political stance using religion,
It doesn't work the other way around.
That appears to be the difference ?

Careful, you're in danger of validating ISIS motives here... using religion to to justify a political stance? My gosh.. that sounds like Jihad!

dirtychinchilla · 4 Feb 2015 at 09:35

Will21st said:
no, I'm the one who doesn't like to appease barbaric ideologies trying to destroy our way of life.

You just come off as ignorant when you generalise. We understand that there are Muslims who will attempt to destroy our cultures, but that accounts for fewer than 0.01% of Muslims.

What you're saying is the equivalent of saying that every single Catholic is a paedophile.

Jaynos · 4 Feb 2015 at 09:37

deuse said:
You really need to ask? go off and think about it.

This seems to be the standard response from a lot of people in this thread, can't answer someone's questions so instead swerve it by writing some pointless comment about how you should go away and think about it.

How about this, you provide people with a coherent response explaining your logic, is that asking too much ?

mattyg · 4 Feb 2015 at 09:37

dirtychinchilla said:
You just come off as ignorant when you generalise. We understand that there are Muslims who will attempt to destroy our cultures, but that accounts for fewer than 0.01% of Muslims.

What you're saying is the equivalent of saying that every single Catholic is a paedophile.

So why don't the other 99.99% stand up against them

Dj_Jestar · 4 Feb 2015 at 09:37

Raz said:
Well yes. I see this very much as a Muslim problem because the ones doing the fighting are mostly children of other Muslims and listening to Muslim scholars. From my perspective its 'our' problem not theirs. And again I'm not quite sure how I am a bigoted Muslim with a prejudiced agenda. And to be absolutely clear, I'm not blaming the religion which is what you perhaps think I am doing.

Education is one aspect of it too.

Anyway. Moving on. I still don't see why so many Muslims are attracted to ISIS.

You can bleat on about how your are Muslim all you want. You are still prejudging the whole based on the behaviour of a few. The very definition of prejudice.

It's bigger than being a "Muslim" problem. If Islam or hell even the very concept of religion didn't exist this would still happen. Anyone who thinks otherwise is completely idiotic. So I am glad we agree it's not the fault.

J.T · 4 Feb 2015 at 09:39

dirtychinchilla said:
You just come off as ignorant when you generalise. We understand that there are Muslims who will attempt to destroy our cultures, but that accounts for fewer than 0.01% of Muslims.

What you're saying is the equivalent of saying that every single Catholic is a paedophile.

Exactly, another example could be when the IRA were blowing up innocent people in London during the troubled times of the 70s/80s we didn't brand the entire Irish community as terrorists.

Will21st · 4 Feb 2015 at 09:40

chunk said:
How about you explain to me how a tiny fraction of Muslims behaving badly is "Islam being at war with the world"

Go on I'm waiting, you both seem so well educated on the subject...

your 'intellectual superiority' seems to express itself mainly by name-calling and adopting a rude tone. Well done.

Anyway, Islam is a political ideology as well as a religion and as such seeks to dominate all areas of life,whether public,political or private. Our western way of life and the distinction between state and religion is incompatible with islam, as you may notice if you look to muslim countries and the way they conduct their affairs. You know, those barbaric ****-holes of the middle-east.

deuse · 4 Feb 2015 at 09:40

Jaynos said:
This seems to be the standard response from a lot of people in this thread, can't answer someone's questions so instead swerve it by writing some pointless comment about how you should go away and think about it.

No. It's called thinking for yourself with the facts in hand.

Will21st · 4 Feb 2015 at 09:42

dirtychinchilla said:
You just come off as ignorant when you generalise. We understand that there are Muslims who will attempt to destroy our cultures, but that accounts for fewer than 0.01% of Muslims.

What you're saying is the equivalent of saying that every single Catholic is a paedophile.

really, so pedophilia is justified by the bible and one of the main goals of christianity? Wasn't aware of that...

Dj_Jestar · 4 Feb 2015 at 09:44

So deuse.. what does it achieve?

Jaynos · 4 Feb 2015 at 09:44

deuse said:
No. It's called thinking for yourself with the facts in hand.

Youve avoided answering the question AGAIN. Please provide a coherent logical explanation to the guys question.

Flying_Hellfish · 4 Feb 2015 at 09:44

chunk said:
Oh dear, 2 billion Muslims in the world but because a miniscule fraction behave badly you make mindless generalisations like this, it's the kind of simpleton sensationalist headline you'd expect to read in the Daily Mail.

Welcome to GD

OHNOHEDIDN'T!

deuse · 4 Feb 2015 at 09:48

J.T said:
Exactly, another example could be when the IRA were blowing up innocent people in London during the troubled times of the 70s/80s we didn't brand the entire Irish community as terrorists.

Not a good example at all. There was protestant and Catholics both Irish and killing each other. Then you had the southern Irish.

And stop using the royal WE as you don't speak for me.

deuse · 4 Feb 2015 at 09:49

Jaynos said:
Youve avoided answering the question AGAIN. Please provide a coherent logical explanation to the guys question.

Fact. They was going to be hanged anyway. They just brought it forward because the islamist scum done wrong.

Raz · 4 Feb 2015 at 09:50

Dj_Jestar said:
You can bleat on about how your are Muslim all you want. You are still prejudging the whole based on the behaviour of a few. The very definition of prejudice.

It's bigger than being a "Muslim" problem. If Islam or hell even the very concept of religion didn't exist this would still happen. Anyone who thinks otherwise is completely idiotic. So I am glad we agree it's not the fault.

You've missed my point and come across as slightly insulting.

It's certainly not the religion but in the past because the Muslim community was more or less united groups like these would have been seen as an internal problem and dealt with by the Muslim ruler or his governors.

I've mentioned the Khawarij group a few times. These were Muslims who had an extreme interpretation and killed other Muslims around 26 years after the Prophet's death.

Don't lump me with other posters who generalise.

Gaverick · 4 Feb 2015 at 09:50

Surely it's not long before we see troops getting put on the ground now? We can try to fight a war from the air with drones and artillery, but all I see is IS getting stronger and stronger. It would obviously be a very controversial move and I can't see Cameron going for it pre election.