ISIS and Islamic militants - discussion

Harlequin said:
whats your solution then?
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Media reporting blackout around all hostage scenarios involving IS for a start, *something* should be done, to stop the broadcast of these lunatics and their demands, live on national television, along with their execution videos - the best way to kill IS, is to take their platform away and kill their message.

The Jordanian authorities should have done nothing in terms of negotiating over prisoners, IS aren't there to negotiate - they're there to spread a message, and nothing does it better than attracting worldwide media attention before burning a man alive in a cage, on camera.
 
Raz said:
You've missed my point and come across as slightly insulting.

It's certainly not the religion but in the past because the Muslim community was more or less united groups like these would have been seen as an internal problem and dealt with by the Muslim ruler or his governors.

I've mentioned the Khawarij group a few times. These were Muslims who had an extreme interpretation and killed other Muslims around 26 years after the Prophet's death.

Don't lump me with other posters who generalise.
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Other Muslims are fighting and dying to these guys everyday, so yes, you are generalising by assuming their is any more action for any/all Muslims to take.

But please humour me and describe what it is you expect of any/all Muslim communities?
 
deuse said:
Not a good example at all. There was protestant and Catholics both Irish and killing each other. Then you had the southern Irish.


And stop using the royal WE as you don't speak for me. :)
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Apologies for the use of "we", a slip up on my part it should have read "most people". :)

As for it not being a good example I was referring to the specific example of the IRA killing Londoners at the time not each other which in its self (IMO of course) is a very valid example, but that's your opinion and you are of course entitled to it. :)
 
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dirtychinchilla said:
You just come off as ignorant when you generalise. We understand that there are Muslims who will attempt to destroy our cultures, but that accounts for fewer than 0.01% of Muslims.
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The most conservative estimates are more like 10-15% are radical Muslims with a hatred for the west.

But lets take your wildly low number, that means there are 50,000 Muslims in England (Mostly in London) who want to destroy British culture and are willing to do acts of terror to do it. And that's your estimate! :rolleyes:
 
Screeeech said:
What does it achieve though?

"Oh look, we can also kill prisoners"

It seems like the behaviour you'd expect from simpletons - can't do any better, don't know any better, won't try to be any better - just kill kill kill.
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I agree with this. It achives very little, appart from a very temporary sense of revenge. I doubt the people executed are even aware of who IS are, or that they been involved in a potential swap. It dosen't really hurt IS in any strategic way either.

The best approach is to carry on as you are. Clearly IS are under preasure, and are trying hard to discourage nations from supporting the campaign against them. We have all the time in the world, but you feel IS is living on borrowed time.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
You can bleat on about how your are Muslim all you want. You are still prejudging the whole based on the behaviour of a few. The very definition of prejudice.
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No prejudice would be to assume that an individual Muslim would commit terrorist acts because some Muslims have. Big difference. He is correct and you are wrong.

No-one is saying all Muslims commit terrorist acts they are saying the people are committing the acts in the name of Islam if the majority of Muslims want their religion to be accepted they have to demonstrate why it should be accepted and challenge those that "pervert" the message.
 
Jaynos said:
how is that in any way shape or form a response to the question:

"What does it achieve"

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It's shows that they won't take any **** from the islamist scum nut jobs.
Religion should be banned as only weak people with a inferiority complex would believe such trip.
 
Stretch said:
I agree with this. It achives very little, appart from a very temporary sense of revenge. I doubt the people executed are even aware of who IS are, or that they been involved in a potential swap. It dosen't really hurt IS in any strategic way either.

The best approach is to carry on as you are. Clearly IS are under preasure, and are trying hard to discourage nations from supporting the campaign against them. We have all the time in the world, but you feel IS is living on borrowed time.
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The frustrating thing is, it looks as though they actually burnt the pilot weeks ago, so IS were basically trolling the Jordanian government and media, so they could broadcast their classy stone age execution video.

There was no negotiation, and there was never any chance of the poor guy being released - do people really think that IS gives two hoots, about some AQ prisoner who's been locked up for 10 years..... ?
 
Screeeech said:
The frustrating thing is, it looks as though they actually burnt the pilot weeks ago, so IS were basically trolling the Jordanian government and media, so they could broadcast their classy stone age execution video.

There was no negotiation, and there was never any chance of the poor guy being released - do people really think that IS gives two hoots, about some AQ prisoner who's been locked up for 10 years..... ?
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exactly, IS can't be negotiated with, so what's the solution?
 
deuse said:
It's shows that they won't take any **** from the islamist scum nut jobs.
Religion should be banned as only weak people with a inferiority complex would believe such trip.
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Muslamic rayguns.

Will21st said:
exactly, IS can't be negotiated with, so what's the solution?
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As I already said, stem the media reporting around these things - take their platform, kill their message.

They only abduct people and execute them on camera, because they'll get their message across..
 
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deuse said:
It's shows that they won't take any **** from the islamist scum nut jobs.
Religion should be banned as only weak people with a inferiority complex would believe such trip.
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You can't ban religion, people would just pray in their homes. Russia and China tried to do this and Christian Orthodox and Buddhism was and is prevalent in there respective countries, so even through i agree with you on most things, "banning religion" is a short sighted and stupid phrase, lets just drop it because it'll never happen.
 
Screeeech said:
do people really think that IS gives two hoots, about some AQ prisoner who's been locked up for 10 years..... ?
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No but the king will realise he has a potential insurrection on his hands and therefore is appeasing the baying crowd so he can continue to support the Arabic effort against the nutters.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
Other Muslims are fighting and dying to these guys everyday, so yes, you are generalising by assuming their is any more action for any/all Muslims to take.

But please humour me and describe what it is you expect of any/all Muslim communities?
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Thanks for pointing that out. That's not something I had heard until now.

Better leadership for one.

The Muslim world is fractured, and as I mentioned previously, people still let their bias get in the way. Many Shias see this as a Sunni problem, and some Sunnis are content to let ISIS butcher Shias and other un-orthodox Muslim groups.

As I've said a number of times, groups like ISIS aren't new. The first group formed because of what they percieved to be un-Islamic actions by the Caliph (he made peace with another rebel group) but today ISIS has issues with a number of Muslim leaders who they see as corrupt and working with/for the West.

There's also the issue of poor knowledge of Sharia by them - they are literally using Islam to terrorise people into obedience by implementing a flawed and unjust version of law [to make a point].

Anyway, you're obviously got your own agenda and view, so lets just leave it that I'm a self-hating Muslim who blames other Muslims for this.
 
Xordium said:
No prejudice would be to assume that an individual Muslim would commit terrorist acts because some Muslims have. Big difference. He is correct and you are wrong.
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That's the biggest pile of BS. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/prejudice

number 2 is particularly relevant.

Xordium said:
No-one is saying all Muslims commit terrorist acts they are saying the people are committing the acts in the name of Islam if the majority of Muslims want their religion to be accepted they have to demonstrate why it should be accepted and challenge those that "pervert" the message.
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Really? Quite a number of members in this thread associate blame with all of Islam and want Islam itself to be eradicated.

However the reality is that the VAST majority of Muslims don't care what you think and they don't want to impose their beliefs upon anyone. They are happy to just be left to their own beliefs. The delicious irony being those that are against religion want to impose their ideals upon anyone not following them.
 
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Screeeech said:
Muslamic rayguns.



As I already said, stem the media reporting around these things - take their platform, kill their message.

They only abduct people and execute them on camera, because they'll get their message across..
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right, so leave the world in the dark about what's going on until it's too late... they will be barbarians, camera or not. They will try to expand their sphere of influence, camera or not. Looking the other way won't stop it.
 
Raz said:
Thanks for pointing that out. That's not something I had heard until now.

Better leadership for one.

The Muslim world is fractured, and as I mentioned previously, people still let their bias get in the way. Many Shias see this as a Sunni problem, and some Sunnis are content to let ISIS butcher Shias and other un-orthodox Muslim groups.

As I've said a number of times, groups like ISIS aren't new. The first group formed because of what they percieved to be un-Islamic actions by the Caliph (he made peace with another rebel group) but today ISIS has issues with a number of Muslim leaders who they see as corrupt and working with/for the West.

There's also the issue of poor knowledge of Sharia by them - they are literally using Islam to terrorise people into obedience by implementing a flawed and unjust version of law [to make a point].

Anyway, you're obviously got your own agenda and view, so lets just leave it that I'm a self-hating Muslim who blames other Muslims for this.
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We're agreeing fervently.
 
Dj_Jestar said:
That's the biggest pile of BS. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/prejudice

number 3 is particularly relevant.


Really? Quite a number of members in this thread associate blame with all of Islam and want Islam itself to be eradicated.

However the reality is that the VAST majority of Muslims don't care what you think and they don't want to impose their beliefs upon anyone. They are happy to just be left to their own beliefs. The delicious irony being those that are against religion want to impose their ideals upon anyone not following them.
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wrong. Islam itself demands that society shapes itself around its various demands and commandments. Islam stretches into all areas of life, public or private. FACT
 
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