'Rich Privilege'

mattyg said:
I take it the rolleyes means you don't think a bank lending you money is help either
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they are not helping you they are helping themselves by selling a service a service more likely than not funded by the government

if they were helping you it would be not for profit like islamic loans
 
arknor said:
they are not helping you they are helping themselves by selling a service a service more likely than not funded by the government

if they were helping you it would be not for profit like islamic loans
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Yet you couldn't do it without them.

End result is they are helping you buy a house with money you don't have.

If you were dangling off a cliff and needed my help to pull you up. Would my actions change if i sent you a bill afterwards.
 
balky12 said:
So you are saying that no one who lives in poverty, or relative poverty, does so because of poor life choices? It was all out of their control? Like I said, people don't choose poverty in such a straight question. They make life choices that can result in poverty. I agree this isn't the case for everyone, but I am willing to bet it is for the majority. .
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I've never said that.

As for your bet, you would lose it.

http://www.economicshelp.org/macroeconomics/inequality/causes_poverty/

Notice how people choosing to do drugs etc. does not make it into the top 5 causes of poverty.


If you go to school (for free, and which every can do) study well. Go to college (which everyone can do for free, again), study well. What is honestly stoping you from getting a job, if you apply yourself in the job searching market?
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Even if you do everything "right", there are plenty of things that can prevent you from escaping poverty. An example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beveridge_curve

If there's an insufficient amount of job vacancies, many of the unemployed literally cannot get jobs, regardless of their skills or life choices.


Or your other argument, that people who who have made bad choices in life, and are now in poverty, are not of a sane mind? So are mentally ill?
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I said that no sane person wants to have insufficient food. There is a clear distinction between choosing to be poor and making choices that make you poor, maybe you need to read what I've actually written.

You sir are delirious, and part of the problem.
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And what problem is that? Can you describe it in a few words?

'People are poor because of random luck. People are rich because of random luck.'

Fantasy.
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Poor people are poor for many reasons but the main ones are the failures of society and the financial/political systems it uses.
 
 
Zethor said:
How about clarifying your stance rather than throwing one liners? If the 5 reasons mentioned in the previous link are wrong, what do you think causes poverty?
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I don't think they are wrong per se just stated with massive bias. Unemployment was one of the reasons given for example, however no reasons were given for unemployment (which is wide and varied and not necessarily due to lack of jobs) and dates cherry picked to make it look as bad as possible.

The web article was indeed unsourced and was most definitely politically biased, however confirmation bias seems to blind you to that.

My own stance? The reasons for poverty are many and varied wealth redistribution is not the panacea that the left make it out to be nor is punitive measures the way forward as the right would like to make out.
 
RDM said:
I don't think they are wrong per se just stated with massive bias. Unemployment was one of the reasons given for example, however no reasons were given for unemployment (which is wide and varied and not necessarily due to lack of jobs) and dates cherry picked to make it look as bad as possible.

The web article was indeed unsourced and was most definitely politically biased, however confirmation bias seems to blind you to that.

My own stance? The reasons for poverty are many and varied wealth redistribution is not the panacea that the left make it out to be nor is punitive measures the way forward as the right would like to make out.
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His claim that "most poor people are poor because they're lazy, do drugs etc" is laughable, which is why I didn't bother providing a more reliable link.

Regarding your position, how do you explain that the countries with the lowest levels of poverty also tend to have the lowest levels of income inequality?
 
dr_volki said:
good for you :)
but not achievable for everyone, as every bodies situation is different.
i moved over to the UK when i was 21 to live with my fiance with around £5k in the bank. i chose to be unemployed for 6months after i quit my first job and lived off my savings. fast forward a few years still living with the mrs renting a property and it's a lot harder to save money for a deposit now.
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House share? You'd save loads of money over renting a house/flat as a couple. Alternatively more somewhere cheaper.

There are always ways, you just need to put the effort in (which is a common theme of the successful people I meet).
 
Zethor said:
His claim that "most poor people are poor because they're lazy, do drugs etc" is laughable, which is why I didn't bother providing a more reliable link.
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So, in other words, your link was indeed politically biased and unsourced so why are you giving me such a hard time for pointing it out?

Zethor said:
Regarding your position, how do you explain that the countries with the lowest levels of poverty also tend to have the lowest levels of income inequality?
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I would probably dispute your figures to be honest, having a look at nations much lower on the GINI coefficient we have countries such as India, Bangladesh, Iraq, Armenia, Pakistan, Romania, Ethiopia, Albania, Afghanistan, Serbia, Belarus etc. where poverty is much worse than the UK.

Slovakia is, by GINI coefficient, up there with Scandinavia yet wouldn't really be high on the list for "lack of poverty".
 
cheesyboy said:
I was aiming the question at Robgmun and Balky, who seem to have a very straightforward view of what a poor person is.
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You could rephrase your question and ask "do you think being successful is mostly due to who you know and how much money your parents had, rather than the effort you put in?"

I would be interested to know the answer to that.
 
Spook187 said:
That's the second comment i have picked up on the so called not trying at school, have you ever wondered some people can not progress with education through one way or another does not mean there was no effort put in, again far to many on these forums tarnish people who didn't do well at school are classed as a waste of space, do you know how pathetic you all sound, i would love to meet people like you in real life and show you how you give respect.:rolleyes:
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You are right, not doing well at school isn't necessarily related to effort. However just because you don't do well at school doesn't mean you can't be successful after school (and those people are probably living perfectly comfortable lives).

The problem is the people that don't try at school. Many of those won't try after either. Personally I think a large part of that is parents and their dedication, not anything to do with money or being 'rich'.
 
Amp34 said:
You could rephrase your question and ask "do you think being successful is mostly due to who you know and how much money your parents had, rather than the effort you put in?"

I would be interested to know the answer to that.
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Personally or in general?

Because personally my parents came to this country without a pot to **** in and I didn't know a single important person.
 
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