Netanyahu: Iran a threat to the world.

Sliver · 4 Mar 2015 at 11:41

Will21st said:
and yours is, of course, very objective and completely unbiased.

Indeed. He should practice what he preaches.

Will21st · 4 Mar 2015 at 11:44

Sliver said:
Indeed. He should practice what he preaches.

not when you can have a go at those pesky jews, eh?

ubersonic · 4 Mar 2015 at 11:45

Lets see, on the one hand we have Iran who haven't started a war in over a hundred years and are attempting to build nuclear power plants, not the dirty type you get weapons from but the more efficient type you can't.

And on the other side we have Israel who have started wars with or bombed virtually every country near them, including the time they blew up a nuclear power plant in Iraq killing the French contractors working on it (again, not the type you can get weapons from).

Sliver · 4 Mar 2015 at 11:46

Will21st said:
not when you can have a go at those pesky jews, eh?

True. They're an easy target for simple minded hatred and apparently they killed this guy called Jebus. So lots of people are really annoyed with them.

WillyNelson · 4 Mar 2015 at 11:48

Silver said:
Yes I have contempt for Arab's and Muslims. I don't deny it. I wouldn't say hate, that's a bit strong, but contempt, certainly. I also have contempt for ultra orthodox Jews too.

Sliver said:
Tarring an entire race as 'not very likeable' and 'zealots' is bigotry. Can't you see this ? Many Jews are cultural Jews, they are atheists.... Many Jews have a secular stance. So when people like you tar them all as zealots and unlikeable, I feel dismayed.

Sliver said:
Anyway, I don't see myself as a bigot just because I have contempt for Muslims, Jews or Christians. I find all religion contemptible because of the harm it causes. It's not bigotry, it's a valid position supported by evidence. I find Arab culture contemptible because of the way it subjugates minorities, women, gays, apostates, atheists, other religions and restricts free speech. Again, not bigotry, simply a position based on the evidence.

Wow! You are so blind to your own hypocrisy it hurts. Tar all people of a culture with the same brush? That's fine. But not Jewish people, they're a broad spectrum.

You are the worst kind of bigot, one who thinks their moral superiority nullifies their prejudice.

ubersonic · 4 Mar 2015 at 11:48

Sliver said:
Yes I have contempt for Arab's

Lucky for Iran they're not an Arab country

Castiel · 4 Mar 2015 at 11:49

ubersonic said:
Lucky for Iran they're not an Arab country

Indeed.

thep02 · 4 Mar 2015 at 11:49

B&W said:
The 2006 Lebanon war wasn't a cake walk for them.

Not impossible to defeat them or any army. The moment you think that you've already lost.

Nukes and unrestricted air power.

Will21st · 4 Mar 2015 at 11:49

ubersonic said:
Lets see, on the one hand we have Iran who haven't started a war in over a hundred years and are attempting to build nuclear power plants, not the dirty type you get weapons from but the more efficient type you can't.

And on the other side we have Israel who have started wars with or bombed virtually every country near them, including the time they blew up a nuclear power plant in Iraq killing the French contractors working on it (again, not the type you can get weapons from).

well, if I was surrounded by jew-haters as Israel is I think I'd have an itchy trigger-finger as well.
However I do understand that to the left a mullah regime is very attractive.

Anyway, let's hope the next US government will be proper hawks so we can get the action going.

Castiel · 4 Mar 2015 at 11:51

Will21st said:
and yours is, of course, very objective and completely unbiased.

I don't bias against or for any particular group based solely on their religion, culture, ethnicity or nationality. Most of my bias is political or I recognise it for what it is, irrational, and suppress it as being my own problem rather than one to be expressed through bigotry.

Sliver said:
Indeed. He should practice what he preaches.

I do, that's the point.

Sliver said:
True. They're an easy target for simple minded hatred and apparently they killed this guy called Jebus. So lots of people are really annoyed with them.

Will21st said:
not when you can have a go at those pesky jews, eh?

Perhaps you can support those accusations by showing us exactly where I have 'had a go' at those 'pesky Jews'?

If not then you are both simply resorting to ad hominem nonsense.

Sliver · 4 Mar 2015 at 11:51

WillyNelson said:
Wow! You are so blind to your own hypocrisy it hurts. Tar all people of a culture with the same brush? That's fine. But not Jewish people, they're a broad spectrum.

You are the worst kind of bigot, one who thinks their moral superiority nullifies their prejudice.

Already explained this. Try reading a thread before you shoot your mouth off. :rolleyes:

Sliver said:
Let me clarify. I'm not saying ALL Arabs are 'X' or ALL Muslims are 'X'. I understand that within every population there is variety. What I find contemptible are the negative effects of religion, while appreciating the positive, and the cultural norms found in Arab countries that don't sit right with me as a Westerner who values free speech and equality for all under the law.

No. nothing to do with distrust or ignorance. More to do with an epistemic understanding of reality.

Sliver said:
Tarring an entire race as 'not very likeable' and 'zealots' is bigotry. Can't you see this ? Many Jews are cultural Jews, they are atheists. How can an atheist be a zealot ? Ever seen Bill Maher ? Probably one of America's most famous atheists. He's half Jewish. Larry David, creator of Curb Your Enthusiasm and Seinfeld is a cultural Jew and non believer. Many Jews have a secular stance. So when people like you tar them all as zealots and unlikeable, I feel dismayed.

Sliver · 4 Mar 2015 at 11:52

ubersonic said:
Lucky for Iran they're not an Arab country

I also said I had contempt for Muslims too.

Castiel · 4 Mar 2015 at 12:03

Sliver said:
Tarring an entire race as 'not very likeable' and 'zealots' is bigotry. Can't you see this ? Many Jews are cultural Jews, they are atheists. How can an atheist be a zealot ? Ever seen Bill Maher ? Probably one of America's most famous atheists.

Bill Maher was raised a Catholic, His mother was Jewish, and he doesn't even consider himself an atheist, rejecting such limiting labels, let alone considering himself a cultural Jew.

And anyone can be a Zealot, even an atheist.

Sliver said:
I also said I had contempt for Muslims too.

Is that ALL Muslims, or just a selection?

WillyNelson · 4 Mar 2015 at 12:09

Sliver said:
Already explained this. Try reading a thread before you shoot your mouth off.

Yup, read it again and it's still hypocritical and full of self importance.

You DID generalise about Arabs and Muslims, and only when your hypocrisy became evident did you fall back on "oh no, I'm not talking about ALL Arabs and Muslims", despite assuming that other posters are referring to ALL Jews and ALL Israelis.

I'm half expecting you to say that some of your best friends are Arabs and Muslims... :rolleyes:

Sliver · 4 Mar 2015 at 12:14

WillyNelson said:
You DID generalise about Arabs and Muslims, and only when your hypocrisy became evident did you fall back on "oh no, I'm not talking about ALL Arabs and Muslims", despite assuming that other posters are referring to ALL Jews and ALL Israelis.

It's not the way you describe it in your post. I see how it looks like I generalised and then back tracked but in truth there wasn't any actual backtracking. I just had to clarify a poorly worded post, which I did. Have you never misspoken at any time in your life or on a forum ?

Castiel · 4 Mar 2015 at 12:18

Sliver said:
It's not the way you describe it in your post. I see how it looks like I generalised and then back tracked but in truth there wasn't any actual backtracking. I just had to clarify a poorly worded post, which I did. Have you never misspoken at any time in your life or on a forum ?

So you don't find Muslims, Arabs and Orthodox Jews contemptible?

Von Smallhausen · 4 Mar 2015 at 12:19

Castiel said:
Netanyahu is more threat to be honest.

He is frighteningly hawkish.

Israeli treatment of Palestinians and the razing of houses is an outrage but Netanyahu seems to get a pass from shockingly hypocritical US foreign policy.

I don't hate Israel as a country nor do I hate its people. I do hate its treatment of the Palestinian people.

Will21st · 4 Mar 2015 at 12:19

Castiel said:
I don't bias against or for any particular group based solely on their religion, culture, ethnicity or nationality. Most of my bias is political or I recognise it for what it is, irrational, and suppress it as being my own problem rather than one to be expressed through bigotry.

Neither do I.

Castiel said:
Perhaps you can support those accusations by showing us exactly where I have 'had a go' at those 'pesky Jews'?

If not then you are both simply resorting to ad hominem nonsense.

Unnecessary, your pathological desire to downplay muslim terrorism, and then looking at your comments here tells me all I need to know about your views.

As you were.

Will21st · 4 Mar 2015 at 12:20

Von Smallhausen said:
He is frighteningly hawkish.

Israeli treatment of Palestinians and the razing of houses is an outrage but Netanyahu gets a pass of shockingly hypocritical US foreign policy.

I don't hate Israel as a country nor do I hate its people. I do hate its treatment of the Palestinian people.

Anything to say on Palestinian terrorism or does that get a pass? :rolleyes:

Sliver · 4 Mar 2015 at 12:21

Von Smallhausen said:
He is frighteningly hawkish.

Israeli treatment of Palestinians and the razing of houses is an outrage but Netanyahu seems to get a pass from shockingly hypocritical US foreign policy.

I don't hate Israel as a country nor do I hate its people. I do hate its treatment of the Palestinian people.

Yes it's not right. I also hate how the Palestinians constantly fire rockets into Israeli civilian settlements. The whole thing is a mess.