AMD - What can they do to improve?

Mal X · 12 Mar 2015 at 17:02

Bluntwrapped said:
I guess when an aesthetic add on starts to get in the way or hold back performance you really have to question it's place.

the card shouldn't be getting hot should it

se_vietboi · 12 Mar 2015 at 17:25

AMD needs to act like they actually exist.

humbug · 12 Mar 2015 at 17:30

SiDeards73 said:
I look at it this way

I almost bought an AMD Cpu but decided against it because the Intel offering was just so much better, more expensive yes but overall just better, less wattage, less heat, better performance and major factor being that no devs were coding for multiple cores on games so while my i7 might have 4 physical cores and 8 threads, it was still a faster chip overall as opposed to a true 8 core cpu.

With regards to GPU, i normally go with AMD purely because their price to performance ratio is much much much better than Nvidia, i dont agree that Nvidia rinse peoples wallets for the performance they offer where as AMD normally come very close for significantly cheaper, plus Nvidia are just shady all over as well, i imagine a bunch of black suit wearing, sunglass indoors wearing douchebags sat around drinking brandy and smoking cigars laughing at their consumers, as their board of directors.

Also regarding mobiles, i was Android for many years until i bought the Samsung Galaxy S3 at release, worst piece of junk ive ever owned, i had the HTC Desire HD prior to that and it was a superb phone, the Samsung was just utter trash, plastic rubbish, i will never ever buy another one of their phones, so i moved to Apple, i like the Iphone but i will probably go back to HTC at some point, their phones are just extremely well made.

You do have a point about HTC phones, they are nice.

Rusty0611 · 12 Mar 2015 at 17:46

Poneros said:
Keep drinking the kool-aid.

http://www.eteknix.com/4k-gaming-showdown-amd-r9-290x-r9-280x-vs-nvidia-gtx-titan-gtx-780/

I didn't know it was a debate about 4K :rolleyes:

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Shall I provide some links as well? Then we can turn it into a good old fashioned 'my link is better than yours' war.

Look at the game benchmark threads on this forum that when they're both clocked up they're round about the same.

humbug · 12 Mar 2015 at 18:02

Rusty0611 said:
It's like a repeat from the first Titan launch.

"AMD will beat Titan at half the cost"

Never really happened though. Even now the Titan trades blows with a 290X in games.

October 2013 Reference 290X http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_290X/27.html

Rusty0611 · 12 Mar 2015 at 18:04

Did you not read the trade blows bit in the very post you've quoted?

humbug · 12 Mar 2015 at 18:12

Rusty0611 said:
Did you not read the trade blows bit in the very post you've quoted?

TPU have the most extensive Game Benchmark selection of anyone. overall its ahead, very slightly, so not conclusively but none the less ahead, and this on the reference cooler which we all know causes the GPU to throttle even in uber mode.

If you want to talk about semantics.

Of course it trades blows, the GTX 780TI by that definition trades blows with the 290 None X, the fact is overall the 780TI is faster. no GPU in a level bracket is faster than another all the time.

J.D · 12 Mar 2015 at 18:17

Rusty0611 said:
Did you not read the trade blows bit in the very post you've quoted?

I know this isn't the point but from what you've said, it's quite an achievement for the price difference.

Rusty0611 · 12 Mar 2015 at 18:18

It was a very clear statement that I made. You're just arguing with it for the sake of it. Look at the game benchmarks (edit: in this forum when both cards are cooled and overclocked properly). Wins some loses some.

J.D said:
I know this isn't the point but from what you've said, it's quite an achievement for the price difference.

Yeah that's true but Titan is an old card now and it's still level with AMDs best card. But the price bit can't be ignored you're right.

humbug · 12 Mar 2015 at 18:33

Rusty0611 said:
It was a very clear statement that I made. You're just arguing with it for the sake of it. Look at the game benchmarks (edit: in this forum when both cards are cooled and overclocked properly). Wins some loses some.

Yeah that's true but Titan is an old card now and it's still level with AMDs best card. But the price bit can't be ignored you're right.

It beat the GTX Titan very convincingly at 4K, you didn't like that because you didn't say 4K.

It beat the GTX at 1080P and 1440P (every day res) you didn't like that because you said you were actually talking about it "trading blows"

The fact of the matter is by any reasonable measure it did beat it, no cherry picking and disqualifying higher resolutions... it beat it.

Its the usual AMD vs Nvidia; you could say trade blows at 1080P ignoring AMD's slight advantage with the most conclusive Review, one is better than the other at different times, as i said you could say the same about the 290 vs the same or even higher end Nvidia card, but not overall.

Typically AMD do much better at dealing with more demanding res, that also translates into more demanding forms of AA, one should not disqualify that as it actually matters.

All in all, yes the 290X beat the GTX Titan.

Mal X · 12 Mar 2015 at 18:36

yes but...........the 390X cant be the same as the 290X can it, because it has one massive crippling fault, not enough RAM for 4K..... that card will suffer just like my gimped 970

you open a new thread and ask members what they think ``how much RAM do you require for 4K``...........everyone will say 8K, regardless of HBW

AMD are in real trouble.......... what do you think ?

humbug · 12 Mar 2015 at 18:38

Mal X said:
yes but...........the 390X cant be the same as the 290X can it, because it has one massive crippling fault, not enough RAM for 4K..... that card will suffer just like my gimped 970

you open a new thread and ask members what they think ``how much RAM do you require for 4K``...........everyone will say 8K, regardless of HBW

AMD are in real trouble.......... what do you think ?

Agreed.

The 390X needs more than 4GB of buffer or a way to make 4GB go much much further.

Rusty0611 · 12 Mar 2015 at 18:50

humbug said:
It beat the GTX Titan very convincingly at 4K, you didn't like that because you didn't say 4K.

Both with unplayable FPS so moot.

humbug said:
It beat the GTX at 1080P and 1440P (every day res) you didn't like that because you said you were actually talking about it "trading blows"

I wasn't "actually" talking about it trading blows. That's exactly what I said up front. Explicitly. It wasn't hidden from my post.

humbug said:
The fact of the matter is by any reasonable measure it did beat it, no cherry picking and disqualifying higher resolutions... it beat it.

Go and look in the benchmark threads in this forum. Trading blows. So wrong again.

humbug said:
All in all, yes the 290X beat the GTX Titan.

Well evidently it didn't. It's trading blows, just like I said.

It's amusing you're so hell bent on proving the 290X 'won' when even by your own - presumably - cherry picked link there's only 1% in it which by all accounts is pretty much even anyway. Because you do realise where a game benches under 100 FPS, 1% is less than 1 FPS right?

Awks.

Mal X · 12 Mar 2015 at 18:58

humbug said:
Agreed.

The 390X needs more than 4GB of buffer or a way to make 4GB go much much further.

and if they dont do this they've had it, the problem they have is people will be worried and concerned about it, regardless of improved efficiency.................Mr Average doesn't give a damn about all the specs, he only wants to know the simple stuff and 12GB sounds far better than 4GB.

this is not a time for trying out new tech on a hard nosed customer... esp after the 970 fiasco..... AMD need to back pedal and fit last years 8GB.....................4GB of RAM right now is almost like a swear word, steer well clear of it :eek:

put the 4GB HBW on a much smaller card and just try it out there first

humbug · 12 Mar 2015 at 19:01

Again yes i agree ^^^^^

Rusty0611 said:
Both with unplayable FPS so moot.

I wasn't "actually" talking about it trading blows. That's exactly what I said up front. Explicitly. It wasn't hidden from my post.

Go and look in the benchmark threads in this forum. Trading blows. So wrong again.

Well evidently it didn't. It's trading blows, just like I said.

It's amusing you're so hell bent on proving the 290X 'won' when even by your own - presumably - cherry picked link there's only 1% in it which by all accounts is pretty much even anyway. Because you do realise where a game benches under 100 FPS, 1% is less than 1 FPS right?

Awks.

It is what it is, your constantly complaining about people using semantics and thats exactly what you are doing here to try and eke out a win where there is none.

Its not just about 1080P, or 1440P, its also beyond that where the 290X gets further and further ahead... throw in whatever reasons you want to disqualify it. you can't make it go away, not everyone plays at 1080P or 1440P with medium levels of AA. a few of my game are cranked up to the max at 3200x1800P.

i'm done before it goes round in circles.

Mal X · 12 Mar 2015 at 19:05

Rusty you're trolling the tread, what are you really arguing about

Ayahuasca · 12 Mar 2015 at 19:07

He hasn't trolled at all.

He said it traded blows which is a perfectly fair statement.

Rusty0611 · 12 Mar 2015 at 19:10

humbug said:
It is what it is, you're constantly complaining about people using semantics and thats exactly what you are doing here to try and eke out a win where there is none.

Well I'm not doing that because I hardly post here anymore. Nice try. I'm not trying to eke out a win at all, humbug, that's you. I said they trade blows. That's not a win nor a loss.

humbug said:
Its not just about 1080P, or 1440P, its also beyond that where the 290X gets further and further ahead... throw in whatever reasons you want to disqualify it.

I'm disqualifying 4K because I don't disagree that the 290X is (bar certain nVidia games) faster at 4K but that wasn't what I was talking about initially as neither cards do 4K with decent settings / FPS (IMO) so I don't see it as important at the mo.

humbug said:
i'm done before it goes round in circles.

Okie dokie - cheerio

Mal X said:
Rusty you're trolling the tread, what are you really arguing about

Trolling the thread? lol

Go back and read it if you want to know what it's about.

Tonester0011 · 12 Mar 2015 at 19:13

LOL, gets called a troll, not even trolling...

I do miss Rusty, you need to come back.

whyscotty · 12 Mar 2015 at 19:16

Mal X said:
Rusty you're trolling the tread, what are you really arguing about

Oh dear