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AMD - What can they do to improve?

Why would they release fixed specs yet when it still could be months away from launch.

We still don't have confirmed Titan X specs from nvidia yet and it's being touted to launch next week.

Yet people have already said they are buying one regardless. It makes little to no sense releasing specs months before releases.

The 390x isn't a direct Titan X competitor, I'm not sure why people keep thinking it is.
 
Mal X said:
but we dont know if the 390X was finished, they might have 3 other versions of it all at once...... just in case, these geeks will be messing around with the 390X in R&D all day long..changing it...retesting it...trying this..trying that

this card has no fixed specs at all, they have two months left to finish it, we have no idea what it'll be like, because it's only too late once it's gone out the door
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It's really not as you make it out to be.
 
Ayahuasca said:
Why would they release fixed specs yet when it still could be months away from launch.

We still don't have confirmed Titan X specs from nvidia yet and it's being touted to launch next week.

Yet people have already said they are buying one regardless. It makes little to no sense releasing specs months before releases.

The 390x isn't a direct Titan X competitor, I'm not sure why people keep thinking it is.
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How do you know the 390X isn't a direct competitor to the Titan X? No real specs for either have been leaked.
 
Gregster said:
How do you know the 390X isn't a direct competitor to the Titan X? No real specs for either have been leaked.
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The only card AMD have ever released to counter a Titan product was the 295x2 against the Titan Z and even then that could be argued otherwise. Price points were still miles apart.
 
Martini1991 said:
That logic doesn't really work.
It's not like they can drop what they were doing and release another GPU etc.

Also, when's the last time AMD ever released a flagship single GPU and ever launched a higher one? Last to me was the 4890.
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you dont know what they've altered before release date in the past, because every company does this.

AMD have been quite clever, because they've not told us anything concrete, so they can do what the hell they want, but it does look like the HBW RAM is true and if so 4GB isn't enough
 
Mal X said:
you dont know what they've altered before release date in the past, because every company does this.

AMD have been quite clever, because they've not told us anything concrete, so they can do what the hell they want, but it does look like the HBW RAM is true and if so 4GB isn't enough
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No one ever says anything concrete, that isn't clever, that's just this industry.

They can't just "alter" something like it's nothing before launch.
 
Ayahuasca said:
Why would they release fixed specs yet when it still could be months away from launch.

We still don't have confirmed Titan X specs from nvidia yet and it's being touted to launch next week.

Yet people have already said they are buying one regardless. It makes little to no sense releasing specs months before releases.

The 390x isn't a direct Titan X competitor, I'm not sure why people keep thinking it is.
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you do know the TITAN X specs !!!!!!...........it's 60% faster than mine and has 12GB RAM..........what more do you need to know :D:D:D
 
Mal X said:
you do know the TITAN X specs !!!!!!...........it's 60% faster than mine and has 12GB RAM..........what more do you need to know :D:D:D
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But we don't Mal, we have only supposed leaked benches to go on. Nothing is concrete and nothing is proven factual, so any chat about the specs is based on possibles and could have's.

Ayahuasca said:
It would be nice to see AMD release a true competitor but they simply can't sell an £800+ card like nvidia can. Looking at the recent discrete market share results they can't even outsell nvidia at the same price point.
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Even long before I got an AMD card, I have wanted to see AMD competing toe to toe and said it many times (which generally got rubbished and I was called a liar) but by the by, anyone with sense would want to see healthy, strong competition. Computing for most of us is a hobby and we spend what we can afford on it and I hope AMD do have a beast in the 3xx and it is as fast, if not faster than the TX and comes with at least 8GB.
 
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Ayahuasca said:
It would be nice to see AMD release a true competitor but they simply can't sell an £800+ card like nvidia can. Looking at the recent discrete market share results they can't even outsell nvidia at the same price point.
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They can't even outsell them at a lower price point, they crashed their 290 prices to well below the 970/80, and even brought out the 8Gbs, but still everyone bought the more expensive 970/80s, they are still flying off the shelves.

Even ram-gate couldn't help them, as the 970s were just flying back with extra cash for their more expensive 980s, that speaks volumes, AMDs gaming graphics card divison is in deep trouble, but its not that important to them really is it, as they have far more important bigger money makers, so could easily just pull out and let Nvidia have it all, as if they were a really important part of their business, and making pots of money for them, then they'd be absolutely busting their balls to get new cards and drivers out, not just sitting back in silence, letting Nvidia just kill them day in day out, month after month.....
 
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I can't help but think no matter what AMD do Nvidia and Intel are always going to be one step ahead. AMD are always late to the table with their offerings and by the time they do show up, it's already too late. Saying the latest AMD hardware whether it's a CPU or GPU isn't direct competition to the Nvidia or Intel equivalent is a bit of cop out to be honest. It seems to stem from the Bulldozer hype and speculative performance a few years then back, then major disappointment when the review samples finally went out. The "This is not a direct competitor" line is now a safety net, and says to me we have no faith and confidence in competing and delivering a product the consumer really wants and needs. Pretty sad really, the focus has gone.
 
I dunno. I think there is a real opportunity with the 390X, due to the hunger for a considerable speed bump. Hopefully they'll seize the opportunity, we shall see.
 
I don't even think the 390 will do much for them, yeah, it'll probably be as fast as the TITAN X, and a lot cheaper, but we all know, that as soon as AMD wheel the 390 out, Nvidia will just wheel out their cheaper TITAN X they have waiting for it (will just be a TITAN X with less than 12GB Vram), and we'll be right back to where we are now.

What they really need imo, is a killer card like their old 9700, i just can't see anything like that happening again though sadly :( id love to be wrong though.
 
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So without causing a **** storm, what do AMD do wrong that people would rather pay the extra for the 980 over paying far less for the 290X?

Or another way of putting it, is what do nVidia do right to make people want to buy nVidia products over AMD?
 
Gregster said:
So without causing a **** storm, what do AMD do wrong that people would rather pay the extra for the 980 over paying far less for the 290X?

Or another way of putting it, is what do nVidia do right to make people want to buy nVidia products over AMD?
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Same reason Apple sell more Tablets and Phones than the rest put together.

Brand awareness, Marketing.
 
humbug said:
Same reason Apple sell more Tablets and Phones than the rest put together.

Brand awareness, Marketing.
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Do they actually sell them though (in terms of phones). I have always had a contract for as long as I can remember and went with whatever phone tickled my fancy at the time and all the guys I work with have pretty much done the same. I pay the same for my contract, regardless of getting an Iphone/HTC/Samsung. Of course you will have people who buy them but generally, most people use a contract no? As for the Tablets, Out of the many many guys i work with, most of them have various tablets and most of us use a Samsung and only 2 guys I know have Apple's.
 
Tbh, i think a part of it is, the mud sticking, all them years ago of bad at drivers, its just stuck, and they can't shake it off, even today its the same, a poor driver comes out, and its a wave of im going Nvidia, utter ***** at drivers these *****, and Nvidia owners over the years (and today) with their, yup, thats their drivers, *****, should go Nvidia, don't have any driver problems, they just work etc.... (which is a lie) ,when AMDs drivers are much, much better than they were back then, they're as good as Nvidias, sometimes better, but they just can't shake that, they make good cards, but their drivers are utter *****, so i wouldn't touch em tag.

Sounds stupid i know. :p
 
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