Tips at restaurants

Glaucus said:
Because the culture is to make up the wages by tipping, even in the uk that is true. That keeps a lot of power in the consumers hand.
As the tipping rate in the uk continues to decrees, we are seeing more and more companies building in wages into the price of the menu. Which means we have no control over it and receive worse service.
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what kind of improvement are you supposed to see exactly?

as your tipping after the meal unless you're a regular the tip will not affect your service at all.
 
Tefal said:
what kind of improvement are you supposed to see exactly?

as your tipping after the meal unless you're a regular the tip will not affect your service at all.
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Of course it will. What a strange thing to suggest.
people have this capability called foresight.
So if they know tips are common and they get more for better service, they have a massive incentive to give better service.

Where now tips are declining and restraints are putting on mandatory service charges to pay wages. Thus there's no personal incentive to do anymore than what is required not to get fired. As it's just basic wage.

I would much rather places pay minimum wage and tips go to only your waiters. You will get better service.

People think by not tipping you get it cheaper, you don't restraints are just slowly adding the cost on. So you're still paying it.
Never pay tips by card, don't like places which collect the tips etc.
 
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Glaucus said:
Of course it will. What a strange thing to suggest.
people have this capability called foresight.
So if they know tips are common and they get more for better service, they have a massive incentive to give better service.

Where now tips are declining and restraints are putting on mandatory service charges to pay wages. Thus there's no personal incentive to do anymore than what is required not to get fired. As it's just basic wage.


People think by not tipping you get it cheaper, you don't restraints are just slowly adding the cost on. So you're still paying it.
Never pay tips by card, don't like places which collect the tips etc.
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but if im not going to eat there again, then why should i tip[?

by your logic they will still do "more than required", which lets face it as a waiter is what exactly?

cause taking my order and bringing it to the table and getting more food/drinks when asked is kinda all they do and is all that's required what more can they do to earn this beyond the call of duty tip?

being bothered by "is everything ok" is hardly improving the meal.

if it wasnt ok i'd be calling them over.


I would much rather places pay minimum wage and tips go to only your waiters. You will get better service.
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only if you tip well and regularly eat there in which case they'll prioritize you over other people in their sections who are strangers.
 
Ok - so I go to a restaurant where I pay some random people to cook my food, deliver my food and then tidy up afterwards. That's why I pay, for food to be cooked, delivered and tidied up afterwards. I pay money for this?

Of course I don't ****ing tip. Why would I? I've paid for my food to be cooked and delivered. Why would I suddenly pay more?
 
Tefal said:
why not?

you give your order to him, he tells it to a chef then he brings over what the chef makes.

hell out of the whole chain the waiter isn't the person who really should be tipped it should be the cook.

cooking the food right is much more important to my meal than how its carried over to me.
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Really because I've had perfectly cooked steak that has sat under a hot lamp for 10 mins drying out because a waitress kept ignoring the chef shout Service.

I think its been a while since you've been in a fast food place. The "server" normally turns around and picks your order of a burger queue.

I've ran pubs before and generally bar staff and waiting on staff get paid as little as possible. Whilst chef/Kitchen staff will generally get paid more.

If your to tight to tip then thats your prerogative however I believe the waiting on staff can have a dramatic effect on how good your meal is.

But hey if you think having a Michelin stared chef prepare your food for a waitress to throw it on your table wont spoil your experience then all the better for you.
 
mattyg said:
But hey if you think having a Michelin stared chef prepare your food for a waitress to throw it on your table wont spoil your experience then all the better for you.
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So why should the waitress get a tip then? The chef and waitress are both paid a wage to either cook or deliver food, are they not?
 
mattyg said:
Really because I've had perfectly cooked steak that has sat under a hot lamp for 10 mins drying out because a waitress kept ignoring the chef shout Service.
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so basically a bad waitress who would have been bad if you had been planning on leaving no tip or signing your house over to her as a tip.

the service you received would not have changed at all would it?
 
You send your car in for a service. You pay for your car to be serviced. An employee collects your car and gives it to the service people. The service people service your car. The employee gets your car from the service people and puts it back in the car park. Do you tip them?

Of course not. You have paid for your car to be collected, serviced and returned.

You pay for a meal - the waitress brings the food you have ordered and deliverers it like you would expect. You get what you are paying for. So, now it's time to pay more?

Er, no.
 
I never tip. My girlfriend & her family always do. It will forever cause issues.

In many places doesn't the tip money go straight into the till to be added to business profits? It really is pointless tipping for good service unless you can be sure the server will keep it.
 
Tefal said:
so basically a bad waitress who would have been bad if you had been planning on leaving no tip or signing your house over to her as a tip.

the service you received would not have changed at all would it?
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In that case no. And she wouldn't have deserved it either.

But chef's get paid more. Waiting on staff get paid minimum wage.

They will get minimum wage whether they treat you well or treat you like scum. Why should waiting on staff do any more than the bare minimum. I don't know where you eat but a decent waiter/waitress makes a decent meal better. They could also make a decent meal crap. As well as making an average meal a much better experience.
 
Tipping is the norm in the US, however what I've read is that at the end of their shift if they don't have a 'minimum' the employer makes up the difference. Its the companies responsibility to pay their staff, not mine.

Edit, here we go:

A tipped employee engages in an occupation in which he or she customarily and regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage. If the employee’s tips combined with the employer’s direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. Many states, however, require higher direct wage amounts for tipped employees.

http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/wages/wagestips.htm
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The federal minimum wage for covered nonexempt employees is $7.25 per hour effective July 24, 2009.
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So they get $7.25 per hour minimum either way.
 
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