Airbus A320 Crashes in Alps

Django x2 · 27 Mar 2015 at 09:18

In which case. Man up. There's no need to take 149 other people with you because you suffer from the imaginative "depression".

"Oh, it's raining outside and my girlfriend said she didn't want to be with me anymore...I have depression". Please.......

scorza · 27 Mar 2015 at 09:22

Django x2 said:
In which case. Man up. There's no need to take 149 other people with you because you suffer from the imaginative "depression".

"Oh, it's raining outside and my girlfriend said she didn't want to be with me anymore...I have depression". Please.......

Yeah, I really hope the outcome of this isn't even more stigma for people with mental illness. We need to be encouraging more people to seek help for depression.

Emlyn_Dewar · 27 Mar 2015 at 09:33

Django x2 said:
In which case. Man up. There's no need to take 149 other people with you because you suffer from the imaginative "depression".

"Oh, it's raining outside and my girlfriend said she didn't want to be with me anymore...I have depression". Please.......

Imaginative depression?

Sigh.

Bit of an arsey thing to say...

Monkeymatt · 27 Mar 2015 at 09:37

PhysicsMan94 said:
There would have course be systems in place to prevent that from happening too, there's an awful lot you can do with a smart computer system and lots of different sensors.

Modern airliners already have limits in place which prevent the pilots from putting the plane into a steep dive in non-emergency situations, there is no reason for a pilot to execute a steep dive in a non-stall situation as far as I am aware.

As has already been said, sensors can become faulty and regardless of how smart the computer system is, if the data it receives is incorrect it will act incorrectly.

And there are many reasons why a plane might go into a steep dive, a failure of the cabin pressurisation system, a fire etc.

Third Opinion · 27 Mar 2015 at 09:42

Having had very bad bouts of depression and even a couple of breakdowns I was extremely close to ending it although I would rather not discuss the exact details.

I can say however I had no desire to take anyone with me. My demons were my demons and I simply cannot understand why somebody would want to take 150 complete strangers with them.

What a messed up person in a position of great responsibility.

koolpc · 27 Mar 2015 at 09:43

We dont know the full story yet. Doesnt look as though it was anything else but the CO-Pilot acting in a murderous way. Time will tell.

koolpc · 27 Mar 2015 at 09:44

Third Opinion said:
Having had very bad bouts of depression and even a couple of breakdowns I was extremely close to ending it although I would rather not discuss the exact details.

I can say however I had no desire to take anyone with me. My demons were my demons and I simply cannot understand why somebody would want to take 150 complete strangers with them.

What a messed up person in a position of great responsibility.

Been in that situation myself. I guess everyone is different and some people dont care about others. They only care of eradicating 'their' misery etc. Sad

Musty Pie · 27 Mar 2015 at 09:55

Such a terrible tragedy.

If it does come to fruition that the guy ended it because of being "depressed" I think many peoples opinions will conflict.

Lets just remember that there are 150 dead innocent people here and we should show our respect to them and their families.

rossk26 · 27 Mar 2015 at 10:01

gettothechopper said:
not since about oooh 11/9/2001,

reinforced doors innit

I've been informed that there is actually a way you can.

Good knowledge to have after this event I guess, but not something to share with terrorists!

JoeF1 · 27 Mar 2015 at 10:06

Surely seasoned pilots would know of this way?

Spit · 27 Mar 2015 at 10:10

rossk26 said:
I've been informed that there is actually a way you can.

Good knowledge to have after this event I guess, but not something to share with terrorists!

Yeah, me mate Jay told me the same thing.

dannyjo22 · 27 Mar 2015 at 10:32

gettothechopper said:
not since about oooh 11/9/2001,

reinforced doors innit

rossk26 said:
I've been informed that there is actually a way you can.

Good knowledge to have after this event I guess, but not something to share with terrorists!

That you can kick the door in? You have been informed wrong. You can always pm me this magical way to get inside if you are scared or terrorists. You can't even feed a prybar between the frame and locks.

Redgie · 27 Mar 2015 at 10:35

Am I the only one who doesn't see how having three pilots (two in the cockpit at all times) is going to help anything? Pilot suicides are an incredibly rare feat and I find it very difficult to believe that someone who is hellbent on killing themselves and 100+ people is going to be deterred by having to kill/subdue one other person first.

EDIT: Posted because I just saw Easyjet (of all people) have just adopted this.

EDIT 2: Meant third person, not pilot

Dj_Jestar · 27 Mar 2015 at 10:37

rossk26 said:
I've been informed that there is actually a way you can.

Good knowledge to have after this event I guess, but not something to share with terrorists!

You didn't think that an ACTUAL PILOT AND AIRCREW would have used this method you've been "informed" about on this A320 if it did exist?

You are talking the biggun out of your backside.

squerble · 27 Mar 2015 at 10:40

Redgie said:
Am I the only one who doesn't see how having three pilots (two in the cockpit at all times) is going to help anything? Pilot suicides are an incredibly rare feat and I find it very difficult to believe that someone who is hellbent on killing themselves and 100+ people is going to be deterred by having to kill/subdue one other person first.

EDIT: Posted because I just saw Easyjet (of all people) have just adopted this.

It's not three pilots. They're just adopting the US system where a cabin crew member takes the place of a pilot visiting the lav.

dannyjo22 · 27 Mar 2015 at 10:43

Redgie said:
Am I the only one who doesn't see how having three pilots (two in the cockpit at all times) is going to help anything? Pilot suicides are an incredibly rare feat and I find it very difficult to believe that someone who is hellbent on killing themselves and 100+ people is going to be deterred by having to kill/subdue one other person first.

EDIT: Posted because I just saw Easyjet (of all people) have just adopted this.

Did they say three pilots? I'm pretty sure they didn't. It will be a hostie. There's no way any airline on shorthaul will pay for another pilot to ride along for pee breaks.

Domo · 27 Mar 2015 at 10:44

Left Germany to fly back to London last night. BA captain made an announcement about the day's events as we made our way to the runway. He wanted to reassure passengers. He said he knew people would be worried but explained we had a very content and happy crew and if that wasn't enough there was the free bar. It got a lot of laughs and certainly changed the atmosphere onboard. Wasn't sure how appropriate it was but it did the job.
Certainly a better atmosphere than we had on the plane flying to Germany just hours after 4U 9525 went down (though then we didn't understand the circumstances).

DJMK4 · 27 Mar 2015 at 10:45

Will be an air marshal type person and despite all those that are saying that it wont work, its been working so far for the US, and also I bet you any dollar it would have stopped the incident at the beginning of the week

Dj_Jestar · 27 Mar 2015 at 10:46

Redgie said:
Am I the only one who doesn't see how having three pilots (two in the cockpit at all times) is going to help anything? Pilot suicides are an incredibly rare feat and I find it very difficult to believe that someone who is hellbent on killing themselves and 100+ people is going to be deterred by having to kill/subdue one other person first.

EDIT: Posted because I just saw Easyjet (of all people) have just adopted this.

It's pretty clear this co-pilot, if he did indeed do this deliberately, waited until nobody else was in the cockpit with him. So yes, it makes perfect sense to have more than one person at all times. Even if all the other person can do is ask "Er.. what are you doing?" and perhaps talk them back to sense.

Redgie · 27 Mar 2015 at 10:48

squerble said:
It's not three pilots. They're just adopting the US system where a cabin crew member takes the place of a pilot visiting the lav.

dannyjo22 said:
Did they say three pilots? I'm pretty sure they didn't. It will be a hostie. There's no way any airline on shorthaul will pay for another pilot to ride along for pee breaks.

Apologies, I meant third person rather than pilot

DJMK4 said:
Will be an air marshal type person and despite all those that are saying but it wont work, its been working so far for the US, and also I bet you any dollar it would have stopped the incident at the beginning of the week

Ah, that changes things then. I've heard of the US air marshals before but somehow this escaped my mind!