The labour Leader thread...

The Mirror's poll is funny:

Dan Jarvis - 22.7%
Someone else? - 20.6%
Ed Miliband - 14%
Andy Burnham - 14%
Chuka Umuna - 13.3%
Yvette Cooper - 9.7%
Tristram Hunt - 3%
Rachel Reeves - 2.8%

So, top is a guy who's said 'no'. Second is a rejection of everyone on that list. Third is Ed, who just stepped down after losing an election. Speaks volumes about the quality of candidates on offer, no?
 
If I was a prospective leader, I'd be worried I'd be wasting five years, given it'll be very difficult to win next time and the party might bin me off for someone new before 2025 comes round.

Conduct yourself well in PMQs and you'll have plenty of job offers waiting for you.
 
Chuka Umunna is the only one thats really electable - on the ball, media savvy, etc. as someone else said but quite young for PM material. Dan Jarvis is the only other one I think people would get behind. The others would either be ed or brown all over again.
 
So, top is a guy who's said 'no'. Second is a rejection of everyone on that list. Third is Ed, who just stepped down after losing an election. Speaks volumes about the quality of candidates on offer, no?

Speaks volumes about the mirror's poll...

If I was a prospective leader, I'd be worried I'd be wasting five years, given it'll be very difficult to win next time and the party might bin me off for someone new before 2025 comes round.

That's probably a good thing. You want someone who acknowledges that it's going to be hard to recover from this by 2020, but that it is possible and to be able to show how they would change the party for the better. If someone doesn't believe they can do it then they should quite rightly be out of the running.
 
If I was a prospective leader, I'd be worried I'd be wasting five years, given it'll be very difficult to win next time and the party might bin me off for someone new before 2025 comes round.

TBH it'll be the same story five years from now without a decent leader. If they want to focus on 2025 then electing someone decent now will be even more important. Otherwise they'll hit 2020 and be no further forward. The Scotland mess needs a lot of work and quite a bit of time.

I guess of the sacrificial lambs Andy Burnham is probably the best choice given Alan Johnson has said no.
 
If I was a prospective leader, I'd be worried I'd be wasting five years, given it'll be very difficult to win next time and the party might bin me off for someone new before 2025 comes round.

Labour is going to need years just to re-connect with their core supporters.

Not to mention having the intestinal fortitude to come clean about their party's previous failings.
 
If it weren't for the boundaries Labour would look like Tories did 97'.

You Labour lovers need to face facts, Socialism in this country is dead, no point crying over it. Im in my 30s and the only time Labour have been successful was when Tony Blair moved you guys more to the right and positioned Labour as a true centreist party.

Andy Burnham will keep you on the left if not move futher to the left if that happans you beþer hope the Tories implode in the 5 years otherwise its 15 years in opposition.

Chuka Umunna, Labours version of a 2005 David Cameron? PM's have been getting younger and younger Major, Blair then Cameron but at some point inexperience will shine through, one for the future I say but not now.

Tristram Hunt, at least he has some career outside of Westminster but doesn't strike me as prime ministerial. An ideas man with a paper bag exterior.

Frankly the list of candidates is really bad, real bad not one standout candidate imo except for Dan Jarvis whos not running. UKIP might just do an SNP in your northern heartlands next time around looking at the inroads they made. Put the wrong leader in and it could very well be the end of the Labour and Co-Operative party as we know it.
 
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Ha. Winrar.
 
Labour is going to need years just to re-connect with their core supporters.

Not to mention having the intestinal fortitude to come clean about their party's previous failings.

Reconnecting with their core supporters, will, to a large degree, depend on the frightful mess the Tories are going to make of the next five years :D
 
Chuka Umunna is the only one thats really electable - on the ball, media savvy, etc. as someone else said but quite young for PM material. Dan Jarvis is the only other one I think people would get behind. The others would either be ed or brown all over again.

As a former Labour voter, let me say now I will not vote Labour if Umuna is in charge.

For an outside bet I just wonder about Gloria de Piero. I don't think she'll win a leadership contest but she may be able to get a front bench role from running and be in a good position for the next leadership contest.
 
Chuka is a racist £$%$ and you will find a lot of labour voters will not touch him, he is just a red Tory, like Tony Bliar and lots of labour MPs want to go more to the left.
 
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Nothing like a bit of Tory arrogance

He's right though, he ticked a lot boxes of what labour needed in its next leader. The rest of the potential candidates are.............:o

Someone better make a phone call to Tony Blair and ask nicely if he can make a come back.
 
Bring back John Prescott to be honest! :p

I think the issue with Labour is they have swerved from left to right and back and they will not be able to reconnect with their core voters because, well, they no longer have any.

The party lost it's roots and it's identity a long time ago. They are just a bit less conservative than the conservatives. Indeed, it begs the question, is the Labour party even relevant any more in this country?

Our manufacturing / heavy industry has been in decline for years, as have the unions. We are now a nation of service providers and niche business. The only people who appear to be die hard Labour supporters are those who used to be in the steel / coal industries and those who believe in the unions. These people are getting fewer as the years roll on.

Furthermore, whilst we get scaremongering headlines about food banks and the NHS being sold off, the bottom line is this country is better off now for many more people than it has ever been and I believe many of the issues faced by families are because of their own poor decisions. So someone can't afford to pay their mortgage and eat. They happen to see a news report about food banks on their Sky TV so they get on their computer and use their internet to google local food banks. After they find one they use their pay monthly smart phone to call and arrange an appointment, then they jump into their financed car and drive to pick up their food. But they only did it the once because next month they won't have to pay that holiday deposit for their summer break. This is apparently poverty?

Not that I wish to belittle anyone who is genuinely struggling, but back when I was growing up - if it wasnt completely necessary it got cancelled (or never signed up to in the first place). In later life when I have found myself in finacial difficulties I have prioritised what is important over everything else.

Seems to me there is a definite shift on what is generally viewed as 'essential' these days and I certainly do not believe a lot of it is. I don't think the government can be blamed for poor planning and decision making by its citizens. I know there are people who are genuiniely struggling but I firmly believe they are not anywhere near as many as the figures would have us believe for the reasons I have mentioned above.
 
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