The labour Leader thread...
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Oddly enough yeah, I know he is British born and to be honest I wouldn't even be bothered if he wasn't. Its a difficult thing to explain, its purely a name thing. Like I say, a Queen Britney just feels "wrong" whereas a King George etc feels "right" , a French president called Hans Von Gruber feels "wrong" whereas a French President called Pierre Joubert feels "right". I've no real point to make other than that I was thinking out loud.
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Chuka Umunna comes across as cold, aloof, arrogant and a closet Tory. I doubt the unions would entertain him.
But other than Dan Jarvis he is one of the few that is in any way electable (under the current prevailing conditions - maybe not so much after 5 years of Tories who knows) - so Labour are kind of screwed.
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Yup or that one. Like I say, I know its not the "right" thing for me to think, but I'm not going to lie about my thoughts. Just doesn't seem right. I'd say the same if William had chosen to call his son Joey, King Joey the first
I agree. Chuka is barely even British, given his father was a Nigerian. Which incidentally is much the same as Barack Obama.
I find the latter especially bizarre. Its almost like America said 'we can't find a legitimate Afro-American to be president, so we'll import one'.
Someone who isn't tainted by this election, Blair, Iraq and economic policy.
Liz Kendall.
I'm always vote conservative, but in my view Labour will be dead in the water if Chuka Umunna gets the job.
Labour need to win back voters from the UKIP and the SNP. Can we at least be honest in the fact that nearly all UKIP voters are not going to vote for Chuka Umunna. So they have no chance of winning back 13% of the votes.
SNP voters will see him as too conservative and I can see a lot of Labour voters jumping ship to other parties.
People like David Miliband are laughable. If people did not vote for his brother, they are not going to vote for him by association
My view would have been Dan Jarvis.
Labour need to win back voters from the UKIP and the SNP. Can we at least be honest in the fact that nearly all UKIP voters are not going to vote for Chuka Umunna. So they have no chance of winning back 13% of the votes.
SNP voters will see him as too conservative and I can see a lot of Labour voters jumping ship to other parties.
People like David Miliband are laughable. If people did not vote for his brother, they are not going to vote for him by association
My view would have been Dan Jarvis.
Yeh he would be a lurch to the right, i wish Alan Johnson was running
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You're trolling right?
Not just me then.
me too!
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Liz Kendall? Rachel Reeves? Stella Creasy? David Lammy? All seem like they have their plus points. It's impossible to tell who's "electable" until they're exposed to the sort of pressures and media attention that being a party leader brings, but even so this isn't really about who would make the best PM, it's about who can take the Labour party in the right direction now.
Or someone called Boris becoming PM in 5 years time.
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I think many Labour politicians and members would agree.
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No.
His father was not British, he was Nigerian. That makes Chuka ineligible for leadership in my view. I'd feel the same if his father was French or Swedish.
Why would the nationality of the father make a person ineluctable for leadership?.
So if we had a new upcoming politician, with all the credentials, born in the UK, Irish father, excellent public speaker & all round great leader you would reject them?.
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Why would the nationality of the father make a person ineluctable for leadership?.
Because they are going to hold the highest office in the land, including command of our military and foreign affairs. I don't want anyone who might have divided loyalties holding that office.
Ireland is a tricky one for historical reasons, but if their father was born after 1950, absolutely. I'd not let such a person hold any sensitive position.
I was about to say your stance was insane but then you raised this very good point! :/