The labour Leader thread...

arknor said:
GDP: £1,789.1 billion(1)
interest £59.1
up 7 billion from last year but gdp jumped up from GDP: £1,720.4 billion

It's not the massive head ache the tories want everyone to believe
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Depends what 'GDP' quoted actually is,
 
easyrider said:
Liz Kendal sounded awful on Radio 4 this morning.
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Well what do you expect? She is awful, ha, ha, ha.

I thought she looked completely out of her depth on Newsnight last week. Evan Davis is hardly a Paxman, Humphrys, Hardcastle etc. Almost huddled in the chair, she looked like she was examining something on her shoes. To be honest her appearance reminded me of Laurence Oliver in Richard III.

Burnham did come across well on the Andrew Marr show but did you see his Milliband forced smile to the camera when being introduced? He couldn't seem to find a fitting answer to whether Labour had overspent whilst he was Chief Secretary to the Treasury.

He is unable to ditch the unions and for me will always be seen as "Old Labour"
 
arknor said:
GDP: £1,789.1 billion(1)
interest £59.1
up 7 billion from last year but gdp jumped up from GDP: £1,720.4 billion

It's not the massive head ache the tories want everyone to believe
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If you want to put in more meaningful numbers, it's an average of just over 1000 pound in taxes per person per annum.

The last year I was in Hong Kong, they ran a budget surplus (again), and sent me a cheque for 900 pound as a refund at the end of the tax year.
 
It's a shame that Kier Starmer has ruled himself out. Perfectly understandable given his lack of political experience though.
 
MrMoonX said:
I see unite throwing dolly out of pram, labour missed out on a decent leader who could have spanked David Cameron because of them
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The leader of Labour wasn't the reason it failed to win, it's the key policies, the entire shadow cabinet. People are far too focused on one individual IMHO.

Unite throwing it's dolly is a good thing from my perspective, I want labour to completely rid itself of union meddling.
 
Tunney said:
It's a shame that Kier Starmer has ruled himself out. Perfectly understandable given his lack of political experience though.
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The problem with him is that as DPP he was unashamedly publicity hungry, which means that his name is constantly associated with the many inept failures the CPS managed in his time in charge.
 
Halfmad said:
The leader of Labour wasn't the reason it failed to win, it's the key policies, the entire shadow cabinet. People are far too focused on one individual IMHO.
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Absolutely this, what is off putting wasn't just Milliband, but Ed Balls and everyone else that would have made the cabinet if they got in, the whole lot look like a bunch of Muppets and they need to clean house.

Unite throwing it's dolly is a good thing from my perspective, I want labour to completely rid itself of union meddling.
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I would respect Labour a whole lot more if they untie themselves from the Unions
 
I'm not sure how Labour would fare without union support, Len 'The Dinosaur' McClusky gave Labour £3.5m for it's election campaign not to mention all the other political donations Labour receives each year. Without the Unions Labour would be bankrupt and wouldn't be able to function without union support.

Your getting Andy Burnham as your next union approved leader. Like it or lump it.
 
ubersonic said:
David Miliband and Ed Balls cannot stand as they are not a current Labour MP, and nobody available is as good as Ed Miliband. That may sound strange to some, but the was never actually anything wrong with Ed and his resignation was a big mistake, he didn't fail his party, his party failed him.

The right wing media made him out to be a loser, a fool, halfwit, weirdo, etc and his party failed miserably to dispel that myth. Even in to the last year senior Labour officials were maintaining a view that the public would warm to him and they just needed to show the people the "real Ed" and they were 100% correct, the problem however was they never did it, the public never met the real Ed until he sat down with Russell Brand a week before the election in an interview nobody watched.

If they had let people see the real Ed, a competent/confident politician and probably the nicest most genuine person to ever run for Prime Minister then they would absolutely have warmed to him. The problem was they tried to fight a 20th century campaign with a 21t century leader. If they had stuck him on TV shows and had him interviewed on late night shows they could have got him in the public eye and people would have said "hang on, this guys not an idiot, and he's much better than Cameron", it could have been another 1997 style landslide, however it turned into the worst defeat in decades and the person least responsible took all the blame.

Unless Labour learn from their mistake and stop blaming Ed for their faults they will not be able to progress.
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Labour lost before the even started for the following reasons:

1. Their leader was a hatchet job installed by the unions
2. They had no policies other than we are not the Tories
3. Can you trust a man who would stab his own bother in the back to grab power ????

Ed's whole coming to lead the labour party was his downfall. Frankly it has set the whole party back years. The current crop of hopefuls are no better and provide zero hope for Labour even being able to mount a challenge in the next election. Their only saving grace is that Cameron has already sated he isn't staying on for a 3rd term. So if there is enough in fighting going on at Tory HQ labour might just sneak in.
 
I'm amused by Chukka's downfall. What a lightweight.

And oh dear, what a cockup by his PR team:

A spokesman for Mr Umunna initially said that he had never heard of the club and insisted Chuka had never been, but when pressed later admitted that he is a regular but said he did not have an entry key.
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:rolleyes:

robgmun said:
I would respect Labour a whole lot more if they untie themselves from the Unions
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Although it would be rather awkward for a party called 'Labour' to suddenly disassociate from labour groups.

'So, why do you call yourselves Labour?'
'Because we formerly represented the interests of the working class.'
'And whose interests do you represent now?'
'We're open to suggestions.'

:p
 
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They would literally do better with Neil Kinnock back at the helm. At least you knew what he stood for.

Labour are going through what appears to be a massive identity crisis. If they revert back to being a full on left wing party like they were in the 70's / 80's then I can see them losing more ground. A move to close to the centre/right makes them indistinguishable from the Tories or worse makes them look like a rehash of Blair and his cronies. So now they are left kind of in no mansland.

It will be some time before they fully recover and can become a credible opposition party. It might be a ridiculous idea, but UKIP likely have more chance of becoming credible before Labour do if the current climate and voter views continue. Although Farage is doing a good job of buggering that up with his clinging on to power............
 
wildman said:
Although Farage is doing a good job of buggering that up with his clinging on to power............
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That's blown over now (as i predicted), All the detractors have either been removed or left. Douglas Carswell has backtracked his earlier statements in yesterdays Sunday Politics and and all but Patrick O'Flynn have come out to back Farage now

Patrick O'Flynn is either going to back-track like the rest (And to a extent already has) or just leave the party. It's business as usual at UKIP now
 
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