Possible Radeon 390X / 390 and 380X Spec / Benchmark (do not hotlink images!!!!!!)

[Aretak]

She's done fantastically well so far?

It'll take far more than just a 300% price increase to achieve that.

She's been in charge for eight months. Not really sure what you were expecting her to do in that time, given that her teams haven't had anything noteworthy to launch during that period. Turning AMD around isn't going to be a process that's done in a year. She was talking long-term strategy and the kind of market sectors they're planning to target going forwards. Banishing the image of AMD being a budget brand for people who can't afford the best is one of those goals. Nobody's saying that's going to be achieved solely by charging £1000 for the 390X.

It'll likely be a couple of years or more before it becomes clear whether her strategy for the company has worked, or whether she'll be remembered alongside all the other AMD executives who've helped run the company into the ground. But, I mean, at least she's trying something different, right?

 

[Boomstick777]

I can see what you mean. I suppose you need to think about upcoming pc titles / the possibility of going back to 1440p? If you don't need the power, then like you say, you'll get most of your money back after selling the TX. I'm still rockin' a 7970, and although it's getting to the point of needing a new card, I have to say that overall it still performs admirably @ 1200p.

Yeah originally I had bought a new 1440P monitor but couldn't get on with it, I found it to big and it had some faults. Tired 2 of them and both the same faults etc, So I sent them back and using 2 x Dell IPS 1080P screens which I get on with much better.

Was really looking forward to Witcher 3 on PC as well, thinking it would look much much better on PC vs console, but honestly looks great on PS4.

So considering selling it now to re coup as much money as pos, and then maybe buy something less expensive later on. AMD might have something in the upcoming 3XX really good for 1080P that costs a lot less, that would be more appealing than keeping this TX I think..

If you're selling it boom give me a shout, I'm in the market in the next week or so

I've put up a price check thread in the MM >>> http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18672057. I wanna see how much it's worth to really consider selling it. Keep an eye on MM

 

[Kaapstad]

Means nothing, remember these cards are going to be shorter than what we're used to, plus with the memory arranged totally differently it points to a different layout on the pcb, its very possible thats a pic of the new cards shroud.

If things are arranged in a totally different way why would the cooler look like an exact copy of the one on the 295X2 which also happens to be a very large card.

As I said before the image quality in the slide is very amatuer like and there is no way AMD would publish something so poor.

The other thing that springs to mind is the last thing AMD would want to do is draw attention to how hot the card gets (with that temp bar) as this is just plain bad marketing and again points to something produced by an amatuer.

Sorry that slide is a total fake, if you think different could you post a link where AMD themselves actually posted it.

 

[Gerard]

If things are arranged in a totally different way why would the cooler look like an exact copy of the one on the 295X2 which also happens to be a very large card.

As I said before the image quality in the slide is very amatuer like and there is no way AMD would publish something so poor.

The other thing that springs to mind is the last thing AMD would want to do is draw attention to how hot the card gets (with that temp bar) as this is just plain bad marketing and again points to something produced by an amatuer.

Sorry that slide is a total fake, if you think different could you post a link where AMD themselves actually posted it.

Powercolor are a partner and the slide has since been removed so maybe someone jumped the gun in posting it. Also their site has the same image though its recently been removed, so again seems like someone jumped the gun http://www.powercolor.com/event/comingsoon_2015/index.htm

Considering its almost likely to have a watercooled version sort of points to the fact already it will run hot, having dram tight to the gpu core will likely create an area of more concentrated heat whereas with the gddr5 layout it was more spread out. According to amd the dram stacks will act as a heatsink of sorts so presumably the aio will likely have somewhat of a larger waterblock.

If anything id expect the board to look like a shortened 295x2 and probably have the same tubing layout. Nvidia went with creating a brand image with the 690 cooler which then morphed into the titan cooler etc, seems to be its logical for amd to follow that route as the 295x2 is easily their best looking card.

 

[Kaapstad]

Powercolor are a partner and the slide has since been removed so maybe someone jumped the gun in posting it. Also their site has the same image though its recently been removed, so again seems like someone jumped the gun http://www.powercolor.com/event/comingsoon_2015/index.htm

Considering its almost likely to have a watercooled version sort of points to the fact already it will run hot, having dram tight to the gpu core will likely create an area of more concentrated heat whereas with the gddr5 layout it was more spread out. According to amd the dram stacks will act as a heatsink of sorts so presumably the aio will likely have somewhat of a larger waterblock.

If anything id expect the board to look like a shortened 295x2 and probably have the same tubing layout. Nvidia went with creating a brand image with the 690 cooler which then morphed into the titan cooler etc, seems to be its logical for amd to follow that route as the 295x2 is easily their best looking card.

Using your 690 example, if you compare an original Titan to a 690 when you look closely there are no shared components and the layout is completely different, the same would also apply to the 390X and 295X2.

That pic shows the 295X2 cooler right down to the grills on the edge of the card.

As to cooling it is not that hard to remove 270 watts of heat from a space that small with an AIO cooler. AMDMatt uses an AIO cooler on his 5960X CPU which takes up even less space yet when overclocked can produce more than 400 watts of heat.

Also if you look at some of the text in that slide it is very rough especially the numbers, there is no way that would get past a pro. It is the work of an amatuer possibly even someone at powercolor with a few minutes on their hands.

 

[Mal X]

If you're selling it boom give me a shout, I'm in the market in the next week or so

increase your time span until the 390X2 comes out because you are unlikely to see anybody selling their TX until they've seen the Dual card first, i've also got a couple of 970s as well

 

[Ayahuasca]

I might make the jump to 4k freesync when the 395x2 (or whatever it's called) comes out. Depends on what drivers are like at the time for CF.

 

[Mal X]

I might make the jump to 4k freesync when the 395x2 (or whatever it's called) comes out. Depends on what drivers are like at the time for CF.

yes but it wont be as stable or reliable as the TX..........Titan X is easily the best card i've ever had............TX SLI will be very expensive for you, but something will have to give and you'll have to accept a trade off...........price for stability, now which is it.

i think there comes a time when you have to say NO, this is far too expensive just for gaming... i refuse to pay, if so it has to be the AMD Dual

 

[flopper]

Pc per write up on the hbm slides, they seem convinced that 4 gig is virtually set in stone. Yet people at amd are saying that they are optimising frame buffer utilisation as in the past little effort was spent on that and instead they just threw more ram at the card. So 4 gig could be fine it seems.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Genera...Us?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

Tonga had a more efficient such so while if it is 4gb this year we might see 16gb cards next year and what will people game with those cards?
Games are made for midrange console designs.
If it is 4gb I am sure we will see reviewers trying everything they can with mods etc..

Next year we have HBM2, win 10 with dx12, 8/12/16/32gb cards.

 

[Boomstick777]

Decided to hang onto my TX until these 3XX cards launch. It might lose a bit more value but at least I will be able to see if there any decent performance / price alternatives before deciding to sell.

Plus I think Mal is right, down the road we could see Witcher 3 become better on PC VS console so it might be worth having a high end card. Just the price and fact I'm now on 1080P seems like overkill. Oh well, I've already got the card no point worrying about it until 3XX cards appear. 980 Ti is rumoured for Computex launch as well. So could be a lot of different options soon.

 

[northwestdakota]

Boom, I think you are joking around a bit with the console thing, but recently I had some issues with my PC a couple of weeks back, it ended up costing me more than a PS4 to fix/me be happy with. I toyed with the idea of giving up on PC gaming and going with a PS4. I even went down the shops to check them out and look at the gaming options. Very quickly I noticed that there really weren’t all that many games to choose from, the good ones I already own on a machine that gives a superior performance and the only game worth getting was W3. Thing is, with W3 I know I can get it on PC for cheaper and it will likely look better if only for Hairworks, remember there are reports W3 can drop to low 20’s on FPS. Then finally, we have multiple VR options coming out in the next 12 months, that should easily be superior to console due to the more open nature.

As for spending big on a single card that seems to struggle to offer all that much more than a PS4, I think this is where a PC gamer needs to be smart and possibly a little lucky. I purchased a 780Ti and it served me very well for a year, I then managed to get a second one very cheaply. I think in total, I spent about £750. Despite all the critical comments about the cards and Nvidia, the facts are I’m able to play any game I want on PC, and have done for a couple of years now at superior settings than console. I don’t really see that changing this year, I might get an upgrade itch but if I’m honest with myself, it is unlikely to be because my current setup can’t play games to a level I’m happy with.

 

[Boomstick777]

Boom, I think you are joking around a bit with the console thing, but recently I had some issues with my PC a couple of weeks back, it ended up costing me more than a PS4 to fix/me be happy with. I toyed with the idea of giving up on PC gaming and going with a PS4. I even went down the shops to check them out and look at the gaming options. Very quickly I noticed that there really weren’t all that many games to choose from, the good ones I already own on a machine that gives a superior performance and the only game worth getting was W3. Thing is, with W3 I know I can get it on PC for cheaper and it will likely look better if only for Hairworks, remember there are reports W3 can drop to low 20’s on FPS. Then finally, we have multiple VR options coming out in the next 12 months, that should easily be superior to console due to the more open nature.

As for spending big on a single card that seems to struggle to offer all that much more than a PS4, I think this is where a PC gamer needs to be smart and possibly a little lucky. I purchased a 780Ti and it served me very well for a year, I then managed to get a second one very cheaply. I think in total, I spent about £750. Despite all the critical comments about the cards and Nvidia, the facts are I’m able to play any game I want on PC, and have done for a couple of years now at superior settings than console. I don’t really see that changing this year, I might get an upgrade itch but if I’m honest with myself, it is unlikely to be because my current setup can’t play games to a level I’m happy with.

Yeah I think you're right mate. Dropping down to 1080P made me think my TX was overkill and with 3XX cards coming soon guess I'm a bit worried about this card plummeting in value, the Witcher 3 on PS4 looking just as good as the PC version was the tipping point where I just though what's the point in having all this expensive tech So really thought about selling... But..

Like you say though, things are about to change on PC, VR, W10 / DX12, down the road W3 might end up a lot better on PC, and I suppose the fact it's such a beast to run means my TX isn't overkill after all. Am going to hang onto it for now.

 

[flopper]

Like you say though, things are about to change on PC, VR, W10 / DX12, down the road W3 might end up a lot better on PC, and I suppose the fact it's such a beast to run means my TX isn't overkill after all. Am going to hang onto it for now.

Games are made for midrange basically.
console designs.
I find witcher 3 aweful as a game on PC as it lacks precision.
crap design from console.

 

[VincentHanna]

Also - VR

VR will be much better on PC, because even though Sony have a 120hz unit I can't see how a PS4 can possibly drive that.

Where as Oculus Rift and Valve's Vive are 90hz but have better resolution.

 

[northwestdakota]

And the 390x is supposed to be geared up for VR, right? Looking forward to seeinghow exactly, be nice to see some real demos at E3.

 

[flopper]

And the 390x is supposed to be geared up for VR, right? Looking forward to seeinghow exactly, be nice to see some real demos at E3.

amd has a 395x2 VR card coming.
you need a lot more horsepower for VR than you think.

 

[Stanners]

amd has a 395x2 VR card coming.
you need a lot more horsepower for VR than you think.

Got a link to the details of this card?

 

[///Rage]

I will be extremely disappointed if its only 4gb at launch...

 

[mmj_uk]

She's been in charge for eight months. Not really sure what you were expecting her to do in that time, given that her teams haven't had anything noteworthy to launch during that period. Turning AMD around isn't going to be a process that's done in a year. She was talking long-term strategy and the kind of market sectors they're planning to target going forwards. Banishing the image of AMD being a budget brand for people who can't afford the best is one of those goals. Nobody's saying that's going to be achieved solely by charging £1000 for the 390X.

It'll likely be a couple of years or more before it becomes clear whether her strategy for the company has worked, or whether she'll be remembered alongside all the other AMD executives who've helped run the company into the ground. But, I mean, at least she's trying something different, right?

You'd expect her to at least stop the rot and stabilise things, from reading this forum and specifically the AMD driver thread over recent months things appear to have got much worse from an AMD customer point of view.

Pc per write up on the hbm slides, they seem convinced that 4 gig is virtually set in stone. Yet people at amd are saying that they are optimising frame buffer utilisation as in the past little effort was spent on that and instead they just threw more ram at the card. So 4 gig could be fine it seems.

This sounds like marketing fud tbh, if it were so easy to get improvements that way they would have done it a long time ago, instead of reducing their profits margins with extra memory. Even if it's not fud they aren't going to make anywhere near 4GB worth (effectively 100% more efficient) of enhancements.

 

[Lokken86]

Quoted from the other thread on the $850 price tag.

"That is ridiculous. AMD has shown nothing that they can even compete with NVIDIA then they throw out this crazy price? This should be $599 max to overthrow all the 980 user base currently ".

Pointless comment. You don't know anything about the card.