Ireland votes on gay marriage - why should I care?

Dis86 · 23 May 2015 at 23:37

Moses said:
Except our recent conception of marriage being between one man and one woman isn't what it's been for time immemorial. Marriage has meant different things.

I'm talking about the very etymology of the word.

Rich_L · 23 May 2015 at 23:44

Tbf when the strongest argument against same-sex marriage is dictionary pedantry it's pretty clear which way things are going to go

Dis86 · 23 May 2015 at 23:47

Rich_L said:
Tbf when the strongest argument against same-sex marriage is dictionary pedantry it's pretty clear which way things are going to go

It's not an argument against at all. I'm simply saying it needs a different name. Like homiage

phonemonkey · 23 May 2015 at 23:48

Dis86 said:
Think of it like shepherds pie. It's lovely and tasty but has a defined list of ingredients. Swap that lamb for beef and you no longer have shepherds pie. You now have cottage pie. Still delicious but not the same thing.
People seem to get too hung up on equality. You can be equal but still be different. Nothing wrong with that.
In my eyes different makes things more interesting.

I agree. Equality shouldn't be closing our eyes to the differences between us, but the acceptance that those differences help make our society richer, and more effective. I'm a bisexual man who swam, sailed and rowed rather than played football and grew up in a rural farming community in Scotland during the '90's and '00's, right in the middle of section 28. My experience of adolescence will be different to yours. The difference isn't the problem, the problem arises when we target or devalue others based on that difference.

Dis86 · 23 May 2015 at 23:54

phonemonkey said:
I agree. Equality shouldn't be closing our eyes to the differences between us, but the acceptance that those differences help make our society richer, and more effective. I'm a bisexual man who swam, sailed and rowed rather than played football and grew up in a rural farming community in Scotland during the '90's and '00's, right in the middle of section 28. My experience of adolescence will be different to yours. The difference isn't the problem, the problem arises when we target or devalue others based on that difference.

I just had to Google section 28. What the holy hell?!

Von Smallhausen · 24 May 2015 at 00:12

scorza said:
So you'll be happy with a similar level of coverage later this year when Slovenia ratifies its gay marriage act?

Overjoyed.

Dis86 · 24 May 2015 at 00:13

Von Smallhausen said:
Overjoyed.

Lol.

Christmas themed thank · 24 May 2015 at 00:19

Why does marriage equal man and woman exactly.

Dis86 · 24 May 2015 at 00:21

AlecR said:
Why does marriage equal man and woman exactly.

Because that is the very origin of the word. Read my shepherds pie story. All will become clear

Christmas themed thank · 24 May 2015 at 00:25

Well no as shepherd very obviously implies sheep. How does the word marriage itself imply man and woman?

It seems to me that we have associated it with that meaning when it doesn't actually imply that.

Dis86 · 24 May 2015 at 00:28

AlecR said:
Well no as shepherd very obviously implies sheep. How does the word marriage itself imply man and woman?

It seems to me that we have associated it with that meaning when it doesn't actually imply that.

I explained it above. The very origins of the word itself.

Christmas themed thank · 24 May 2015 at 00:29

You didn't really. Just because we have used it to mean man and woman it doesn't mean the word itself implies man and woman.

It more matches the expectations of the time. Now the expectations are that any person can marry any other person.

Dis86 · 24 May 2015 at 00:31

AlecR said:
You didn't really. Just because we have used it to mean man and woman it doesn't mean the word itself implies man and woman.

It more matches the expectations of the time. Now the expectations are that any person can marry any other person.

Look up the etymology of it ffs!

Monkeynut · 24 May 2015 at 00:34

Not gay, but pleased with the result.

FoxEye · 24 May 2015 at 00:43

Not gay, don't really care about result.

Just wish there wasn't now a mandatory gay sex scene in all recent TV shows. Seriously. I don't want to watch men kissing and rubbing each other. Even if they're good looking. I just don't want their bits flopping all over my TV!

But then someone once told me that TV is disproportionately represented by gay people, so if true it's no surprise.

C.R.A.Z.Y · 24 May 2015 at 00:55

I'd sooner see two handsome men or two pretty ladies kissing than say a couple of heterosexual wayne & Waynetta's going at it!! lol

I bet you don't have an issue with hot lesbian scenes on TV?

stopper · 24 May 2015 at 00:57

scorza said:
the Bank of England's plan for a Brexit, accidentally sent to the Guardian lol.:

It wouldn't surprise me if the government has put a gagging order on that story. The last thing those muppets want is for us to leave the EU.

bam0 · 24 May 2015 at 00:58

Dis86 said:
Look up the etymology of it ffs!

"and ultimately Latin marītāre meaning to provide with a husband or wife and marītāri meaning to get married." Not seeing the problem with using that word to signify two people of the same sex getting married. Even if it did though, tough, enough people are prepared to use the word in that sense so that is its new meaning.

Dis86 · 24 May 2015 at 01:01

bam0 said:
"and ultimately Latin marītāre meaning to provide with a husband or wife and marītāri meaning to get married." Not seeing the problem with using that word to signify two people of the same sex getting married. Even if it did though, tough, enough people are prepared to use the word in that sense so that is its new meaning.

Yes, but it came in to usage as marriage in middle English meaning the joining of a man and woman.

FoxEye · 24 May 2015 at 01:04

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
I'd sooner see two handsome men or two pretty ladies kissing than say a couple of heterosexual wayne & Waynetta's going at it!! lol

I bet you don't have an issue with hot lesbian scenes on TV?

Tbh, I don't think I've seen a lesbian scene on TV in years.

In general, I think there's a lot of "forced" sex scenes of both the straight and gay kind. I do have a problem with that, because they add nothing (are boring filler), and waste time. Seriously it's a challenge now for any show to go 10 mins straight without showing two people going at it.

I bet if Columbo was re-made today there would be straight/gay sex in every episode

And you don't want to see that.

But yeah, there's gay sex in every show now. I'm 4 episodes into Penny Dreadful (which is partially living up to its name), and 3 of the 4 main male characters are gay or bi, with 2 of them already having had gay sex on screen. What gives?

It was bad enough in GoT, but GoT is excellent so you can forgive it (just). PD is not excellent.

Ireland votes on gay marriage - why should I care?

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