Theresa May Wants To Deport All Foreign Benefit Claimants!

[LordSplodge]

Is your husband a doctor, a scientist or something equally high skilled? If not, I see no value in us letting him come here. If he is, then surely he can get in through another route?

Why shouldn't we put value on British people as well? What's your value to being here?

People aren't just cogs in a machine with a rateable value. That's just a capitalism talking.

As opposed to reality.

As opposed to your opinion. It's not that black and white and you're worse than that George chap I responded to.

GD depresses me with its anti-women, anti-poor, anti-immigrant stance. Not what the forum used to be like.

Did you see the other week that some Slovakian bint came to this country, gave birth to a beautiful baby boy then decided she didn't want it. The baby got sent home to Slovakian care (judged to be in his best interests) whereas the Slovakian woman gets to stay here and continue enjoying her 'party lifestyle'. Seems the wrong way round to me.

That's completely backwards. Exception rather than rule one would hope.

 

[Roar87]

Why shouldn't we put value on British people as well? What's your value to being here?

People aren't just cogs in a machine with a rateable value. That's just a capitalism talking.

He's a British National, even if we wanted to deport poor people we aren't allowed to due to international law. The reason that salary threshold exists is because unless you earn something like £26,000 you actually cost the country money by being here on average. Also £18,600 isn't a lot to earn, people can go back to college and get a few qualifications and earn that, I earn more than that with just GCSE's

 

[Schlong&Stable]

Why shouldn't we put value on British people as well? What's your value to being here?

People aren't just cogs in a machine with a rateable value. That's just a capitalism talking.

I am a native of this land, this is my homeland. It is not an Indian persons homeland.

My comments have very little to do with Capitalism. It has everything to do with pragmatism.

As opposed to your opinion. It's not that black and white and you're worse than that George chap I responded to.

On the issue of equality, is is that straight forward. We're not all equal, some people are worth more than others.

 

[dowie]

Why doesnt the government actually do something to tackle the soaring housing benefit bill instead of focusing on these stupid ideas which will save sod all money and just try and convince the stupid british public that its all these forriners fault innit.

Housing benefit has risen £650million a year on average since 2010 (or over £3 billion) and 1/2 million people more people claiming it.

But on no instead of building new houses lets sell off what we have and blame the immigrants.

What has housing benefit got to do with the home secretary?

You do realise the government is split into departments with different responsibilities? They don't just all club together and work on one single issue putting all else aside... Housing benefit falls under another department and no 'the government' as a whole isn't going to drop everything else so they can all work on 'housing benefit'.

 

[OpenToSuggestions]

I really don't like the way pension is lumped in with the welfare.

Yes it is a HUGE cost, but it is being claimed by people who have spent their entire working lives paying into it. This is completely different from being unable to because you're unhappy, you've had 17 kids because lol or you can't find work because you can't be bothered to learn English.

Generally speaking I am very anti-welfare. I believe I am responsible for my own actions and never want to depend on others.

 

[dowie]

Why? We don't have a problem with letting young people starve to death, why should we have a problem with letting older people who haven't paid into the system starve to death?

young people can claim benefits so can pensioners, really don't see the issue

There's no evidence that bill reduction is the final solution. What is necessary is to organise the benefits that the budget does not get wasted.

You can't get rid of people from other countries if they are legally here and committing no crime by saying oh look they are lower than us they are not as well off. That doesn't make sense.

depends what you mean by legally here, if someone is here on a work visa and can no longer find work then what is the point of them being here?
Most countries have an immigration policy, you can't just chose to move to country X and then expect them to pay for your existence.

Edit: The point about the JSA is that MOST people complain about the unemployed, completely wasting their breath.

JSA is only partially relevant to the thread and as far as I can tell not many people have complained about it. IME most people complain about benefits are complaining about benefits in general, not specifically JSA.

 

[dowie]

Which is fine but you've missed the point. May wants to amend the law to stop people whose only crime is being poor from using Human Rights legislation to block deportations.

This isn't about whether convicted foreign criminals should be protected from deportation, but whether people the Government deem 'unable to support their families' too.

It is both actually and I still don't see the issue with it? We should be able to deport foreign people who commit crimes and foreign people who can't support themselves over here.

 

[estebanrey]

I met my partner around 5 years ago. At the time he was studying and here on a student visa. We hit it off,and 2 years later we got married. My family and his family didn't attend our wedding, as they are not happy with us being gay.

Off topic but how did you get married in 2012 when the first gay marriage in the UK wasn't carried out until March 2014?

 

[dowie]

Sure, but you're essentially saying that the children, who are innocents, should suffer because of the acts of one of their parents?

I can't see how that is remotely fair to the children.

Well if the kids are British then they've got a choice, the family can move to wherever the criminal goes back to or they can stay here and the children are separated from the violent criminal. Frankly keeping a violent criminal away from kids is probably a good thing.

 

[dowie]

Could someone please explain this mindset to me whereby you care only about the people who were born in the country you live in, as opposed to caring about everyone? We are all equal, we deserve equal rights and equal treatment, and we should care for the other members of our species, wherever they were born.

So should everyone in the world have an equal right to reside in the UK?

 

[estebanrey]

It is both actually

I'm posted the OP, but thanks for telling me what my own thread is about

In my quote in the OP, the bit in bold is what this thread is about.

...and I still don't see the issue with it? We should be able to deport foreign people who commit crimes and foreign people who can't support themselves over here.

So a gay Ugandan get granted asylum, works here for 10 years before being laid off. You'd be happy with him being sent his papers and told to get on a boat back to Africa for having the temerity to lose his job?

As I said, it seems people are only seeing the benefit-seeking immigrant, you have a picture of some African or Asian rubbing his hands and telling all his friend how he's going to come to England to live off our welfare state whilst cackling.

What about people who weren't born here, but come over, set up a business or work for a couple of decades and then fall on hard times?

 

[MrMoonX]

Any reduction in the welfare burden is a welcome one IMHO.

Best do something about those penioners then as they account for more of the welfare budget than any other group

 

[Glaucus]

Best do something about those penioners then as they account for more of the welfare budget than any other group

It should be, government should very slowly move to actually putting NI into pensions funds. Rather than spending it. So people actually pay for themselves, or more likely, each generation actually pays for themselves. As well as means tested state pension and further regulation on private pensions. Make it so people can't opt out like they currently can.

But just because there is bigger fish to fry, doesn't Mena you should fry smaller fish as well. Although much more should be done to actually help people get back to work, and make sure working is always worthwhile.

 

[dalehitchy1]

Off topic but how did you get married in 2012 when the first gay marriage in the UK wasn't carried out until March 2014?

Well I wasn't lucky enough to have equal marriage back then. I am in a civil partnership.... Its far easier to say... I got married as opposed to say 'i got civil partnershiped'

 

[LordSplodge]

I am a native of this land, this is my homeland. It is not an Indian persons homeland.

My comments have very little to do with Capitalism. It has everything to do with pragmatism.
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Right, so your only 'value' over somebody not native is the fact you're happened to be born here. So blind luck gives you more value. Wow!

Well if the kids are British then they've got a choice, the family can move to wherever the criminal goes back to or they can stay here and the children are separated from the violent criminal. Frankly keeping a violent criminal away from kids is probably a good thing.

Ahh but the OP said criminals. That's a broad spectrum. Deporting a whole family over a petty crime is stupid.

Clearly each case should be dealt with in a just manor, thank goodness for the Human Rights Act. Well for now at least.

 

[dowie]

So a gay Ugandan get granted asylum, works here for 10 years before being laid off. You'd be happy with him being sent his papers and told to get on a boat back to Africa for having the temerity to lose his job?

Hang on who said this overrides our international obligations towards refugees?

 

[dowie]

Ahh but the OP said criminals. That's a broad spectrum. Deporting a whole family over a petty crime is stupid.

well petty criminals don't face deportation orders in the first place... it is the serious criminals who face them and currently they can claim 'right to a family life' as a defence against deportation

 

[D.P.]

Seems reasonable to me? Should extend it to British nationals that have been out of work for over 12 months without good reason too!

yeah, should extend to anyone. British passport but too poor, off to the concentration camps! that'll learn em.

 

[dalehitchy1]

well petty criminals don't face deportation orders in the first place... it is the serious criminals who face them and currently they can claim 'right to a family life' as a defence against deportation

That law is a load of crap. If it was that easy why did my husband not have a right to family life? Our life couldn't go to India unless I wanted to go to jail. Another daily mail article has probably influenced your mind to think its that easy.

Either that or anyone can waltz in to the UK unless they are married to a uk citezen.

 

[D.P.]

I am a native of this land, this is my homeland.

Well done on choosing Britain as your country of Birth. So many options out there, you could have ended up anyway where but you were so smart as a fetus you decided to pop out in good old Blighty. We are all thankful for your choice.