Poll: Winter Is Coming - HBO's A Game of Thrones [READ WARNING]
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I've had a feeling this would be a possible "outcome" for him. Never read the books.
Will Sansa and Rickon be the only "normal" Starks ?Every other one has died, got new powers or in the process of getting them.
At the end of the book where Jon dies for all intents and purposes it's the same as when he dies in the TV series - there's no clue that he's warging the direwolf at the time.
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However, it is suggested earlier that when wargs die their 'soul' or whatever can transfer into an animal..or even another human.
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Sansa doesn't have any powers at the moment because her wolf died. I think it's hinted (in the books at least) that Rickon will have similar warging powers to the rest of them as there are comments about him and his wolf sharing emotions/etc.
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I for one don't believe for a second that Jon is going to stay dead, it wouldn't make any sense with regards to the white walker storyline for him to die now. There are several theories being thrown around but the most likely one for me is that Melisandre will do what Thoros of Myr did and resurrect him. I don't think him warging would work on a TV show, maybe in the books but not on TV.
I also don't see Sansa and Theon being dead, that would be a pointless and anticlimactic end to that storyline too, and although I'm not convinced Stannis is alive, I'm also not sure he's dead. It's suspicious that they didn't show the death scene. In fact, the only character who definitely died in the finale imo was Myrcella.
I also don't see Sansa and Theon being dead, that would be a pointless and anticlimactic end to that storyline too, and although I'm not convinced Stannis is alive, I'm also not sure he's dead. It's suspicious that they didn't show the death scene. In fact, the only character who definitely died in the finale imo was Myrcella.
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I agree for the most part, especially regarding the warging. In the TV show they have played that down massively compared to the books so although it was a firm possibility in those, to have him be saved by that in the TV show wouldn't really make any sense.
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They need a plot line to bring everyone back to kings landing so someone will eventually come out on top and the very last scene in the series will be said person sitting in the iron throne, even if the rest of the place is in ruins.
I'm thinking what better way to get it there is to give them (the living humans) a common enemy, the white walkers.
So....Jon snow had to die. It's more dramatic that he dies now as opposed to died by the white walkers or he failed as his job as the commander in chief of the night watch and the wall falls under his watch. Now the audience wants those men who killed him and are now in charge to die as a result of the cowardly act.
And what better way to get the dragons in on the action than for them fight an army of the white walkers.
That's how I see it, at the end of this battle! who ever is left standing will be the new king or queen.
I'm thinking what better way to get it there is to give them (the living humans) a common enemy, the white walkers.
So....Jon snow had to die. It's more dramatic that he dies now as opposed to died by the white walkers or he failed as his job as the commander in chief of the night watch and the wall falls under his watch. Now the audience wants those men who killed him and are now in charge to die as a result of the cowardly act.
And what better way to get the dragons in on the action than for them fight an army of the white walkers.
That's how I see it, at the end of this battle! who ever is left standing will be the new king or queen.
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Just caught up on the TV show. Really enjoyed it. Probably already discussed at length here but the main issue I have is the Shireen bit. I don't have a problem that they did it although brutal. My problem is i just don't see Stannis agreeing to it. The situation did not seem bleak enough for him to go to that length. Stannis is harsh but i just didn't buy that the character would agree to burning his own daughter at the stake so the whole thing didn't sit very well with me.
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I agree. Stannis in particular seems likely to live on. For a show that takes such pleasure in gruesome deaths of most of its main characters it seemed off to not show him actually being killed. Aside from the Hound I can't remember them leaving any other 'deaths' unconfirmed.
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From what I remember seeing, Olly stabs him in the heart (Might be wrong) and not the painful belly.
The same way Jon Snow killed Mance Rayder cause he couldn't see him in pain. Hes still a little turd for doing so but he had no other choice.
It's nothing to do with how Jon killed Mance... Olly also felt Jon had betrayed them all and so took the final stab. It wasn't a mercy killing.
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Can't blame Olly to be honest. That boy had his mum eaten by the wildlings. Hardly surprising he felt betrayed by Jon.
I doubt it otherwise it would be pointless for Ellaria to poison Her in the first place. I wouldn't want to be in Trystane's shoes though once He arrives at Kings Landing.
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And I suppose to hate cercie or be supporting her? Before last few episodes I wanted her tortured now can't wait till she gets revenge on that shame woman and priest fella in equally brutal fashion.
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I guess she can die horribly after that's out of the way.
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I am pretty sure that was the entire idea. Some people will feel sorry for her after her ordeal and other will say she got what she deserved.
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Unless it was part of a larger plot to endear Trystane to them, as a random Martell he's not to be trusted, as the man who saved Mycella's life from his own families assassination attempt he's proved his devoted to her. Also wouldn't throw it outside the realms of possibility that the cute one slipped Bronn another vial of the antidote.
Grasping at straws and I think she's dead myself, but just throwing that out there.
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No, all the Starks in the books have warging abilities, at least the ones that are alive and still have their direwolves. Ayra wargs into a cat while she's still blind (which aids her in getting her sight back) - it's just the show hasn't really bothered to go into it too much since IIRC bar Bran it doesn't do much in the way of plot advancement. The book ends on a cliffhanger with him, no Ghost assistance... but in any case, 95% of book readers have been expecting Jon to be un-killed for the past 4 years for a reasons that would take a while to list, so it's funny seeing people who are 'unsullied' lose their **** over him dying on TV and thinking he's a goner.
In Martin's original outline to his publisher Jon was one of the 5 central characters central to the entire 'Song of Ice and Fire' - remember this is a fantasy series about said song not just a bunch of interesting character interaction - who formed part of the end-game, and he has the 2nd most POV chapters of anyone in the books bar Tyrion. I think it's safe to say George didn't relegate him and he's said himself although some fans already figured out how it will all end, and he was tempted to change it just to troll them, he knew that wouldn't make the conclusion satisfying so whatever subtle clues people pick up from the text regarding how it all comes together, they're most probably right.
In Martin's original outline to his publisher Jon was one of the 5 central characters central to the entire 'Song of Ice and Fire' - remember this is a fantasy series about said song not just a bunch of interesting character interaction - who formed part of the end-game, and he has the 2nd most POV chapters of anyone in the books bar Tyrion. I think it's safe to say George didn't relegate him and he's said himself although some fans already figured out how it will all end, and he was tempted to change it just to troll them, he knew that wouldn't make the conclusion satisfying so whatever subtle clues people pick up from the text regarding how it all comes together, they're most probably right.