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That's up for debate lol. They are incredibly similar in looks but we are told they are fraternal.

The difference was evident pretty soon after birth. Niall has always been quite calm and relaxed, George has always been more restless. This hasn't changed in 18 months lol.

Ah ok. Found this which is quite interesting, indentical twins can end up with varying genetic codes.

It is true that identical twins share their DNA code with each other. This is because identical twins were formed from the exact same sperm and egg from their father and mother. (In contrast, fraternal twins are formed from two different sperm and two different eggs.) Usually, the egg and sperm come together and create an embryo, which eventually grows into a human baby. However, in the case of identical twins, early in development, this embryo divides into two. This creates two babies rather than one.

While the two babies share the same DNA code, there is more to our genetics than just that. During development in the womb and after birth, our surroundings, exposures, and nutrition influence how our genes are expressed and how our bodies and minds develop. For example, two identical twins may have the same genes for height, but if one twin does not receive the same amount of nutrients while in the womb, it may be shorter than the other twin. We know also, that there are some changes to our genes that can happen during the embryonic period or during development. While this rarely happens, it makes it so that one identical twin may have a genetic condition, while the other twin does not. Our genetic code is a very large part of our genetic makeup, but there are other factors, genetic and environmental, that make us unique!
 
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My twin boys are completely different in personality. Same parents, home, sister, discipline etc... It is not as simple as you infer.

I have 2 daughters who couldn't be more different in personality. Setting boundaries, explaining why they are needed and enforcing them has worked like a charm.

All I have to do now is get them married off after they finish university and I can put my feet up.
 
with mine it was no TV / browsing on mobiles etc until people were dressed and could sit down and have breakfast. Funny how quick some of these tasks got done onc ethat was imposed
 
That's up for debate lol. They are incredibly similar in looks but we are told they are fraternal.

The difference was evident pretty soon after birth. Niall has always been quite calm and relaxed, George has always been more restless. This hasn't changed in 18 months lol.

Could easily be explained by the birthing order of which one came first, which one second and the surrounding circumstances of the birth.
 
Wash in cold water: 06:40
Dressed: 06:45
Sitting at breakfast table: 06:50
Breakfast 07:00
Wash up 07:20
Ready for school 07:30

See how they like that for a month. No need to say thanks :)

God, that made me shake with laugher, brilliant!
 
I have two boys who are complete opposites of each other. My eldest son will get ready all by himself in 20 minutes and even feed the cats etc. My youngest son needs telling every 10 minutes to get moving - it is very stressful.

I could get my youngest son dressed myself, however he would never learn.
 
Take them to school in whatever state they are in when it's time to leave. They'll soon learn.
 
Nope. It's good parenting skills.


It's probably a mixture of both.

Being the parent of a 10 year old and most of my friends being parents I hear loads of stories and the parents are the same but the kids turn out totally differently. Ergo it's not parenting skills alone but they type of child you have.

You can be lucky and have a submissive child but don't go patting yourself on the back.
 
It's probably a mixture of both.

Being the parent of a 10 year old and most of my friends being parents I hear loads of stories and the parents are the same but the kids turn out totally differently. Ergo it's not parenting skills alone but they type of child you have.

You can be lucky and have a submissive child but don't go patting yourself on the back.

There will always be the discussion of nature vs nurture, but even with the same parents the 'nurture' part can be quite different. I'm not saying nature isn't significant, but no two children are ever brought up in exactly the same way with exactly the same experiences.
 
There will always be the discussion of nature vs nurture, but even with the same parents the 'nurture' part can be quite different. I'm not saying nature isn't significant, but no two children are ever brought up in exactly the same way with exactly the same experiences.

Which was my point earlier about birthing order. Difference will be established right there due to the amount of stress that they individually endure during the birth process. The differing amount of chemicals at such a formative age will have drastic consequences during development.

In a difficult birth the first twin out will have less exposure in a normal birth the second. Such events are so critical in how people are shaped - it's the reason a paediatrician will ask parents of teenagers what the birth way like. Just a few minutes with those extra chemical or reduced oxygen can drastically change someone.

I did consider this, however it is more likely to result in a visit from social services for "neglect"

No, it wouldn't. You do presumably communicate with the teachers?
 
Which was my point earlier about birthing order. Difference will be established right there due to the amount of stress that they individually endure during the birth process. The differing amount of chemicals at such a formative age will have drastic consequences during development.

In a difficult birth the first twin out will have less exposure in a normal birth the second. Such events are so critical in how people are shaped - it's the reason a paediatrician will ask parents of teenagers what the birth way like. Just a few minutes with those extra chemical or reduced oxygen can drastically change someone.

Interesting to know the details and what impact it can have :).
 
Interesting to know the details and what impact it can have :).

In my experience many children that are labelled as anxious, nervous etc and then have consequent associated described disease processes have difficult births. It's not that hard to then associate the stress hormones that the developing brain is exposed to with a later brain that is wired to see conflict and be shaped by it. Compound that then with the likelihood a difficult birth will more likely result in post-natal depression and increase the chance of caesarian section thereby reducing the mother's mobility and therefore ability to bond and maybe even breastfeed (therefore inhibiting bonding even more) and it's quite easy to see how these process start.

Now add into the mix that we now have maternity services that increasingly medicalise birth, induce labour, perform increasing amounts of elective caesarian sections.

And people wonder why social anxiety disorders and social disorders fullstop are on the increase ...
 
I've got school age kids...two of them....

I get them out of bed at 7 and have to literally whip them like dogs (not literally)to get them out of the door at 8:40.

Am i alone in finding this a pretty bloody stressful start to the day. We are always on time. but its at a high cost in stress levels all around. Having the kids upset before they've even got to school just doesn't sit well with me there has to be a better way....it can take 20 mins to brush hair...10 mins to put on a pair of bloody socks...

What do other people do ? TV on or off ? Breakfast in the living room or around the table ? Any strategies to positively incentivise the process rather than turning in a nagging machine....

We're all usually up before 7am, we have a routine really. Wife in the shower at 6:30, I get the kids up and get their clothes out. My eldest (8) dresses herself, I dress my youngest (3). I then go in the shower while my wife takes them downstairs to start breakfast. We all sit round the kitchen table together, no TV in the kitchen. After breakfast we all go up stairs to brush teeth. Then downstairs, coats on and gone before 8am.

I used to do all this on my own... it was very stressful. Not at all stressful now there are two of us.
 
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