MS needs to explain really what the free upgrade covers for retail users.
i think in that link they did post somewhere that u can go back to your previous OS and your license would be untouched
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MS needs to explain really what the free upgrade covers for retail users.
i think in that link they did post somewhere that u can go back to your previous OS and your license would be untouched
Ok, it turns your 7 licence into a 10 license.
It's an upgrade, how else were you expecting to get it? Microsoft arent simply giving away full versions for free.
No. There is nothing in the terms about changing Retail 7 into OEM 10. Doing so would require you to agree to the change, which will be spotted if they did do it as soon as the update is out.
And they can't do it through their own terms anyway. OEM 7/8.1/10 (from what we know) cannot be installed onto your own device, so if you bought Retail 7 and installed it on your own machine and then it was turned into OEM 10 it would immediately break Microsoft's own license terms.
The other possible option is that it is linked to 1 device for the 10 upgrade but the 7 license remains in tack, so you can go back to 7 and move that if you want. Effectively meaning you have 7 Retail or 10 OEM at any one time (I.e. to move 10 you would need to reinstall 7 on the new PC first).
Edit: Hang on, if your having to use a key extractor to get your 7 keys, they arent Retail versions.
They could easily provide a system where I could obtain a Windows 10 product key from my activated Windows 7 machine, then just use that to install Windows 10 fresh. I know it's an upgrade but there's no reason to make people actually go through the upgrade process to get the key/activation, only to then bin it and start again.
There's nothing conclusive either way but the phrase which keeps appearing is "lifetime of the device" which is a very "OEM-ish" way of putting things.
That looks like the most likely scenario right now. Of course MS don't have to give us anything for free and, if the deal is that 7 retail customers get a free upgrade but it's effectively a 10 OEM licence and only valid for that machine then that's fair enough really, still something for nothing, just wish they'd come out and say it. It's the way that they seem to be deliberately trying to obfuscate that grates.
LOL yes of course I can just get my current keys from the boxes. The point I was making is that there's no simple way to get the current product key from an installed copy of Windows 7, you have to use an extractor utility to get it, so how would I get at my new product key once I'd upgraded to Windows 10?
u don't get a new key.
when u reinstall w10 it will know that your device is allowed by your hardware ID so it'll activate automatically
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Which is obviously what's giving rise to all the talk about OEM licences. Whether or not they call it OEM, all the talk is of licences being tied to devices. Will there even be a retail licence as we currently know it?
Guess we'll have to wait to find out for sure.
yes. 119$ for home/ 199$ for pro
At those prices, I'm even more sure they'll only offer an OEM upgrade for 7 retail customers.
You just added another reason why the Start menu for Win7 had to change,again its moving forward to cater for new hardware,compromise will always be there in some form since every user has their own ideas what they like and prefer,holding on to the past is not the solution.
maybe yes
but they will offer retail and oem licenses for sure
http://hexus.net/tech/news/software/83585-windows-10-retail-pricing-confirmed-microsoft/
OEM products, for home $109~ (maybe cheaper) and $149~ for pro
New*** lists windows 10 retail and oem
i will be buying windows 10 retail if it turns out this way
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Yes, it should have been improved. Old Win7 users don't like it, and tablet users won't use it. Now it seems to be something that no one likes/wants. That's going backwards, not going forwards.
I'm old Win7 user myself,can go back to pre Dos if you want,point being things change,it'll probably change again even if they did bring out a great Start menu to please those die hard Win7 fans,end of the day its about adapting(new Start menu is not rocket science to adapt to) and moving forward regardless,giving Microsoft feedback is only the thing you can do and even then you and I know they can't please everybody out there ,so end of the day it's a lot easier to adapt which is what I've been doing for many decades on every Windows and Linux.
I sometimes wonder if this is the 21st century with some users,end of the day they always find something to moan about,can't wait to see what is on their next agenda.
Oh please! I can also go back pre-Dos and UNIX command lines if we're measuring e-peens.
It's not about not adapting, it's about missing the opportunity to make something better, instead of just throwing something out there for the sake of change and telling people to adapt to it.
It's a classic engineer's mistake, like putting a row of buttons in a car instead of a steering wheel and expecting people to be happy about it.
They did that with 8, and everyone complained.
Now they have put the steering wheel back in and everyone is going "what's this ancient technology, give me something new"!
looks like there is little different, but you know...New is always better
Yes i agree but, i hope that one day Microsoft will develop something revolutionary like they did when they invented the original Windows!
Personally, I want something that is at least as good/useful as the Win7 menu (and can duplicate that for those that really can't live without it), but preferably something that is better than the Win7 menu.
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Personally no not at all - I want a better start system I've no particular attachment to Windows 7 and Windows 10 simply doesn't provide that... when on paper it should as they have the right idea but the execution is flawed and half arsed at best. Likewise I struggle to justify moving on when even my old XP install let alone 7 has a far simpler, efficient, elegance to the UI. By no exaggeration I'd rather go back to using Windows 3.11 or a typical Linux GUI front end than the typical interface in 10.
I do come from a background of many many years of using RISC OS so I have very little time and low tolerance for a UI that isn't simple and efficient while looking fairly good.