Is it insulting not to ask a father for permission of the girl you wish to ask to marry? thoughts please and experiences please?

Insulting imo from an era when women were treated and traded like cattle for financial benefit of the father.
Oh come on, if you are going to marry, it's a nice gesture, plus you'll gain muchos respectos from the future in laws, it's a win win situation for the sake of one awkward conversation.
I did but feel I should not have as he has no business saying who his daughter can or can not marry but they did say yes![]()

No, its a silly tradition, what does he own his daughter or something? it has nothing to do with him.

No, its a silly tradition, what does he own his daughter or something? it has nothing to do with him.

I will expect to be asked, if not I'll be upset.
Well put... I asked and although his response was "of course, you'd be better off asking her though" I'm told he's always been chuffed I showed him the respect of speaking to him as head of the household first explaining "my intentions"It is a tradition, is it required? No. However, you know him better than any of us, is he the sort of person that would appreciate the gesture? If so, do it. If not, then don't.
Personally, whilst I think the girl I want to marry is an adult and able to make up her own mind, I would also feel, out of respect, that asking the head of the household is the right thing to do. This is just my own personal take on it. It's also a nice gesture, and what harm will it do?
As such, I did ask not so much for permission, but just out of respect and because well, if I couldn't ask him, I'd struggle to have asked her!
.Will he be throwing in any livestock?
As for "it's an archaic tradition", if that's your view then why even bother with getting married in the first place or taking part in any one of a dozen archaic traditions linked with getting married...