Dark days, AMD share price at lowest ever.

[Boomstick777]

At least when the GTX970 memory feature came to light publically NVidia came clean.. AMD have done everything they can to cover up the poor pump QC on Fury.

Hahahahahahah

That made me chuckle, nice use of sarcasm (I hope it was sarcasm). Nvidia only made a statement when they had to, even then it wasn't an apology just a justification for the fake specs. Retailers were left to deal with the mess, just like with the first Fury X cards from AMD. They are both as bad as each other.

AMD have now acknowledged the issue and are working with retailers. Nvidia never did, they said it was a design 'feature'.

Rushing to Nvidia's defense ironic because they don't care about their consumers, yet so many defend them all the time.

Both companies are as bad as each other imho.

Agreed. We need a third player.

The problem is AMD just don't have the funds available for R&D to develop competitive products to go up against Nvidia.

This is likely due to the raising costs of cough medicine and throat sweets for Richard Huddy.

Haha, this is true with limited budget and a shrinking PC market, AMD do pretty well with what they have. I guess it depends on your outlook.

 

[Ayahuasca]

Who are you trying to kid, of course you're an AMD fanboy, one of their finest. If their cards came smothered in **** you'd still buy em!

This lol.

Love how people think owning products from both sides or disagreeing with one sides practices means you can't be a fanboy.

 

[shankly1985]

Who are you trying to kid, of course you're an AMD fanboy, one of their finest. If their cards came smothered in **** you'd still buy em!

No it's just some you guys are so fast to judge people. Do I like amd a lot more then nvidia yes. Would I never buy nvidia GPU again yes and no depends on how they fix issue I disagree with...

Would I class myself a fanboy no, just because I defend something I disagree with doesn't make me a fanboy!

A fanboy is someone who dam right wouldn't touch anything nvidia, like LambChop doesn't buy games with AMD on it.

Do I still buy nvidia stuff outside GPUs? Yes games, phones I have own nvidia GPUs before all this trying to close PC platform into its own console..

You see, if amd was tomorrow start releasing Gameworks or anything that hurts other gamers I wouldn't agree with it.. Does amd lock anything out of nvidia on purpose? No

 

[Type_R]

So the 10-20 per cent improvement from hacked drivers has suddenly climbed to 30-50 %

It was 50% in pcars on my Xfire 290s.

Call it 20% seeing as your so into defending AMD...but it was 20% more than AMD could be bothered to get out of their own drivers. Didn't leave me very impressed! Oh and does Freesync even work today for Xfire users...what a joke!

 

[Insanties_birth]

Both companies are as bad as each other imho.

This. People are often too silly to respect the different circumstances, AMD can't really afford bad press considering the already hostile and negative community within PC gaming (just check any thread about graphics cards comparisons). Even when reviews are good, even when Nvidia had to slash there titan and knock off £200 just a few months after to compete with AMD's card people still act as if AMD are doing us a disservice by stopping Nvidia charging nearly 1k per titan card We had titan performance for much cheaper and Nvidia had to kick there own shins off to get back down to earth. Thankfully we have reasonable competition, fair enough AMD aren't perfect but if they weren't throwing out this card that was so close to titan performance just a month or two after the titans release does anyone really think the 980ti would have come out and been that price? Naive fanboys should be thankful for AMD even if they do go Nvidia but obviously if Nvidia were in the same boat with marginal market share and lower profits and needing to compete then there is no doubt in my mind they'd be a bit hush hush about any bad press too. Nvidia can shrug off bullcrap because they have legions of fanboys but it's not quite as lucky for AMD.

If Nvidia weren't being driven to pull out the 980 ti we would have had 3 choices, pay through the nose for a titan x, accept half a**ed 980 (as most agree they never bothered to go full fat on the card with large bus sizes and whatnot) or we could accept the vram gimped 970. It's not all sunshine and roses in Nvidia's camp either and they have a good lineup overall but it's not like they were throwing there A game before AMD forced them to. Fanboys lapped up the crap anyway because Nvidia is a master of pulling the wool over some peoples eyes but regardless, we'll have some trolls throw out some more negative AMD press time and time again. Not complaining about this thread as it's a fact but if we end up with just Nvidia then expect the days of half a**sed cards and overpricing to resume guys

 

[shankly1985]

It was 50% in pcars on my Xfire 290s.

Call it 20% seeing as your so into defending AMD...but it was 20% more than AMD could be bothered to get out of their own drivers. Didn't leave me very impressed! Oh and does Freesync even work today for Xfire users...what a joke!

Yeah driver 14.7

FYI them leaked drivers only worked that much better because they was hacked windows 10 drivers.. Install Windows 10 and them drivers again and you would see the gains there...

They had to be hacked for them to even work on Windows 8.1.

 

[Gerard]

It was 50% in pcars on my Xfire 290s.

Call it 20% seeing as your so into defending AMD...b

Ah so im into defending amd just because the numbers have shot up from person to person as usual. Give it another few weeks and i'm sure it'll be 75% plus.

 

[Type_R]

Yeah driver 14.7

FYI them leaked drivers only worked that much better because they was hacked windows 10 drivers.. Install Windows 10 and them drivers again and you would see the gains there...

They had to be hacked for them to even work on Windows 8.1.

6 months after Freesync monitors were released...well played.

if they could make the gains in windows 10 and someone else could make them in windows 7 there was no reason AMD couldn't have released the drivers for anything other than windows 10.

They tried to fob off the performance of pcars on SMS and if you go through the AMD driver thread I defended AMD at the time. Only to find out later that actually they were the ones to blame all along. Rule number 1 in making money...keep your customers happy! Don't lie to me about it being someone else's problem and don't deny me drivers that you have in your pocket.

Despite all this I still checked out the FuryX and was willing to buy one if it was any good. As I said, they bought it on themselves. People can defend them as much as they like...truth hurts!

 

[Type_R]

Ah so im into defending amd just because the numbers have shot up from person to person as usual. Give it another few weeks and i'm sure it'll be 75% plus.

I'm happy to post my FRAPS benchmarks (on Monday when I'm on my gaming PC) if it makes you see the light!

But the point is 50%/75% or 10%...the point is they held back performance for months...that might be acceptable to some like you, but not to me.

 

[Gerard]

I'm happy to post my FRAPS benchmarks (on Monday when I'm on my gaming PC) if it makes you see the light!

But the point is 50%/75% or 10%...the point is they held back performance for months...that might be acceptable to some like you, but not to me.

And why would it be acceptable to me exactly?

 

[Type_R]

And why would it be acceptable to me exactly?

If it isn't acceptable to you, you shouldn't even question whether it was 0.1% or 75%

 

[Rroff]

This lol.

Love how people think owning products from both sides or disagreeing with one sides practices means you can't be a fanboy.

Funny thing is - a lot of people label me as an nVidia fanboy (whether true or not isn't the point of my post) - if you actually take the time to objectively search for all my posts in this section overall I'm pretty evenly critical and praising of both companies and dislike both pretty much equally :S however no disputing I'm highly unlikely to buy an AMD GPU for my main system and more likely to defend nVidia due to the fact they generally put their money where their mouth is more often rather than do a lot of talking then hope people have forgotten about it in 6 months time.

 

[Gerard]

If it isn't acceptable to you, you shouldn't even question whether it was 0.1% or 75%

So its ok to exaggerate one way or the other? Think you're clutching at straws here assuming i'm some kind of amd knight in shining armour. But whatever makes you feel better son.

 

[Insanties_birth]

I'm happy to post my FRAPS benchmarks (on Monday when I'm on my gaming PC) if it makes you see the light!

But the point is 50%/75% or 10%...the point is they held back performance for months...that might be acceptable to some like you, but not to me.

It's not ideal but when they're the smaller company with much smaller profits they don't have all the cash in the world to throw around. It's like policing, if you give police less money and then wonder why crime goes up but they keep getting less because they're not doing a great job or meeting targets or whatnot then crime will only get worse. AMD's in a crapshoot of losing marketshare but having to devote more and more resources to keep up with new technologies (dx 12, HBM, virtual reality etc.) Programming is more than likely getting more and more complex as they try and add more and more features and work on cards that can compete with Nvidia's but when you have less money and people are getting more demanding due to cards costing more it's kind of difficult.

The PC gaming market is shifting as Nvidia is starting to convince people that paying more is worth it and AMD did a pretty good job of getting very close to Titan performance for much less cost but that's not good enough in the eyes of people who would have paid for a titan anyway. We're in a market shift where prices and performance expectations are expected to get higher (especially due to people looking for a golden card for 4k) but when you've got less money and having to make everything pitch perfect with drivers, investment, features, performance, cooling, price set etc. it's very difficult I imagine. We'd have never seen the 980 ti if it wasn't for the fury kicking the tx in the teeth but Nvidia was able to just chop it down and repackage it which stole some of the success of the fury from them sadly.

 

[D.P.]

Then I'll move on simple... You might think I will only buy amd and not nvidia but you be very wrong.. I have owned nvidia in the past...

My reason for not buying nvidia isn't because am a amd fanboy it's more the fact I don't like how nvidia handle things...

Why I won't buy nvidia my own personal choice.
1. Refuse to use Adaptive-Sync, just write a driver for it.
2. Lock out amd users of Physx, even if you bought an Nvidia GPU and used amd as your top card they still refuse to let you use something I paid money for.
3. The handling of 970 vram was a complete joke.
4. Gameworks, another business practices I disagree with. Pc platform should remain open and anything to do with locking features down I disagree with..

There just for you DP..

It's all personal choice and not because I amd fanboy has you keep saying.. I have reasons.

1. Why should nvidia support adaptive sync when it is inferior to their gsync technology?
2. Mixing GPUs in a single system is just a very bad idea.
3. No worse than FuryX pump issues
4. If the PC platform is to remain open then why are you using a closed source operating system and not linux? Why play games with a closed source API instead of only OpenGL games. Why play any game with a closed source engine? Why use closed source hardware like AMD and intel CPUs?
Gamwesowrks doesn't lock anything down, it works find on AMD hardware, often better than Nvidia ironically. E.g. Witcher 3 with hairworks on, now AMd have a bumped their tessellation ability they actually outperform Nvidia if gameworks is enabled!



AMD" business practices are just as bad as Nvidia's, they just pretend to play the victim when they can't get their own way. Their BS marketing machine has been called out on numerous occasions.

 

[D.P.]

Both companies are as bad as each other imho.

Indeed, their number 1 goal is to make profits for their shareholders. As soon as people realize that the better.

AMD"s dodgy business practices see them faciing serious legal ramifications!
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9132/amd-to-face-securities-fraud-lawsuit

The participating investors are accusing AMD of committing securities fraud over how they presented the state of Llano production. The suit claims that Llano production was not as strong as AMD was claiming – a consequence of supply issues with GlobalFoundries’ 32nm process – and as a result AMD artificially inflated the value of the company in 2011 and 2012,

 

[D.P.]

Hahahahahahah

That made me chuckle, nice use of sarcasm (I hope it was sarcasm). Nvidia only made a statement when they had to, even then it wasn't an apology just a justification for the fake specs. Retailers were left to deal with the mess, just like with the first Fury X cards from AMD. They are both as bad as each other.

AMD have now acknowledged the issue and are working with retailers. Nvidia never did, they said it was a design 'feature'.

Rushing to Nvidia's defense ironic because they don't care about their consumers, yet so many defend them all the time.



Agreed. We need a third player.



Haha, this is true with limited budget and a shrinking PC market, AMD do pretty well with what they have. I guess it depends on your outlook.

The 970 VRam issue was a design feature. tehy could selel a card with 3GB memory or engineer a card with 4GB of memory where 0.5 is slower than the rest but still way faster than pulling anythign form system Ram. that is a smart idea, helps consumers and is quite a clever solution.

The e issue was this, and the other architectural differences, were not highlighted to reviewers. But really, who buys a card based on the architecture and not on performance?

the 970 is a great card, nvidia handled the reviewers and press badly. they should have offered refunds for upset customers, but there is nothing wrogn with the card, and the vram is a good design.

 

[Martini1991]

The 970 VRam issue was a design feature. tehy could selel a card with 3GB memory or engineer a card with 4GB of memory where 0.5 is slower than the rest but still way faster than pulling anythign form system Ram. that is a smart idea, helps consumers and is quite a clever solution.

The e issue was this, and the other architectural differences, were not highlighted to reviewers. But really, who buys a card based on the architecture and not on performance?

the 970 is a great card, nvidia handled the reviewers and press badly. they should have offered refunds for upset customers, but there is nothing wrogn with the card, and the vram is a good design.

They could have taken a hit on margins and produced it as an actual 4GB card.
There's basically no defense for Nvidia's 3.5/4GB VRAM lark.

 

[shankly1985]

1. Why should nvidia support adaptive sync when it is inferior to their gsync technology?
2. Mixing GPUs in a single system is just a very bad idea.
3. No worse than FuryX pump issues
4. If the PC platform is to remain open then why are you using a closed source operating system and not linux? Why play games with a closed source API instead of only OpenGL games. Why play any game with a closed source engine? Why use closed source hardware like AMD and intel CPUs?
Gamwesowrks doesn't lock anything down, it works find on AMD hardware, often better than Nvidia ironically. E.g. Witcher 3 with hairworks on, now AMd have a bumped their tessellation ability they actually outperform Nvidia if gameworks is enabled!



AMD" business practices are just as bad as Nvidia's, they just pretend to play the victim when they can't get their own way. Their BS marketing machine has been called out on numerous occasions.

Mixing GPUs is bad why? Because you say so? How about if I could use a furyx main gpu and nvidia for Nvidia games or run the nvidia has Physx gpu for other effects.. Thats should be what pc gaming is about freedom to do what we choose not what we are told to do...


What? Both Gsync and Freesync offer advantage amd disadvantages.. They is not one is better than the other.I see you completely forgotten the true basic of pc gaming.
Why should we the buyer be told what monitor we can and cannot buy based on what GPU we are using?

 

[Rroff]

There is everything wrong with selling it intentionally knowing that only 3.5GB is full speed IMO - in the past that was advertised as x + x "turbocache" :S