The EU Migrant Crisis

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Vidar said:
First of all fully star out your swearies otherwise you may get spanked by one of the mods... just friendly advice.



But why can't you believe that British people are opening their homes to refugees, again imagine for example the UK is hit by some disaster or genocide and you've fortunately found yourself relatively safe in say Germany but in the short term you've got nowhere warm or safe to sleep at night so are faced with sleeping in a doorway or something equally as sad, would you not hope that someone would take pity on you and provide you a bed in the short term? If someone you know needed a bed or somewhere safe to stay would you not offer it, yes the difference is you don't know these people but despite fear mongering the chances these people are all Isis or thieves, rapists and murders and beyond small.
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the problem is this is not short term once its over they will want to stay and refuse to go back. If british people open there homes they should be responsible for there care till they return, if they kick them out of there home in a year or so they should still pay for there upkeep.

How many do you thin would sign a document like that none. The British people are just saying it to look good but will never go through with it and if they did it will be 1% or less that would.
 
Caged said:
They shouldn't :confused: nobody should be a victim of terrorism. To say a group is more deserving of it based on the views they express on the internet is quite sick.
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No its not. So if I vote no and you vote yes and later on both of us are penalised the one which voted yes so be less deserving of help if resources are in short supply.
lets say you were in the Army you and a enemy was badly injured you have one injection that can save the person who would you give it too, or lets say a man and a child, only one can have it who would be more deserving.
 
matdom said:
the problem is this is not short term once its over they will want to stay and refuse to go back. If british people open there homes they should be responsible for there care till they return, if they kick them out of there home in a year or so they should still pay for there upkeep.

How many do you thin would sign a document like that none. The British people are just saying it to look good but will never go through with it and if they did it will be 1% or less that would.
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If I wasn't in a 1 bedroom flat and refugees where in Liverpool needing a place to stay I can hand on heart say that yes I would offer a spare room to a refugee, no I wouldn't sign any such document however and nobody in their right mind would.

The thing is though as someone has already pointed out earlier in the thread historically you're wrong about refugees, not sure how old you are but I remember when the Bosnian crisis was happening and refugee where in Liverpool, when things became safer most, if not all returned home of their own accord.
 
matdom said:
No its not. So if I vote no and you vote yes and later on both of us are penalised the one which voted yes so be less deserving of help if resources are in short supply.
lets say you were in the Army you and a enemy was badly injured you have one injection that can save the person who would you give it too, or lets say a man and a child, only one can have it who would be more deserving.
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Why would voting one way or the other on a referendum about accepting refugees affect how 'deserving' someone was of being maimed by a terrorist incident?
 
Vidar said:
If I wasn't in a 1 bedroom flat and refugees where in Liverpool needing a place to stay I can hand on heart say that yes I would offer a spare room to a refugee, no I wouldn't sign any such document however and nobody in their right mind would.

The thing is though as someone has already pointed out earlier in the thread historically you're wrong about refugees, not sure how old you are but I remember when the Bosnian crisis was happening and refugee where in Liverpool, when things became safer most, if not all returned home of their own accord.
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Bosnian is far different to those middle east countries, there is a difference in people. the ones on TV are saying they want to make a life in Europe.
 
Vidar said:
If I wasn't in a 1 bedroom flat and refugees where in Liverpool needing a place to stay I can hand on heart say that yes I would offer a spare room to a refugee, no I wouldn't sign any such document however and nobody in their right mind would.

The thing is though as someone has already pointed out earlier in the thread historically you're wrong about refugees, not sure how old you are but I remember when the Bosnian crisis was happening and refugee where in Liverpool, when things became safer most, if not all returned home of their own accord.
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So would you keep them for indefinite period in your flat?
 
matdom said:
You still haven't replied to my question who would you choose.
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And I'm not going to, because other than being about having two options and picking one, it's not related to the discussion at hand at all.

I believe you are effectively saying that anyone voting in favour of something should have to suffer any consequences no matter how unintentional, before people who voted against that proposal have to suffer. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Using that logic any increase in migration numbers agreed by David Cameron is a result of a Conservative government, therefore anybody who voted Conservative in the general election 'deserves' to suffer the consequences more than people who didn't vote Conservative. It's a dumb point to make.
 
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matdom said:
You may think that but when the crap hits again in this country its people of this country that will get hurt, its always been the good doers that have caused misery for the rest in situations like this. ISIS are hoping to use the good will of people in this country to accept immigration from those parts.


Do I want a terror attack in this country no I do not, I prefer to lock up our borders and have a safer country. How many of those that are coming in have connections to ISIS etc... I bet a few.
This is a War using social media and the internet, to open the hearts of the west to bring in the Trojan horse.
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You're just as brainwashed as bloody ISIS.
 
Caged said:
And I'm not going to, because other than being about having two options and picking one, it's not related to the discussion at hand at all.

I believe you are effectively saying that anyone voting in favour of something should have to suffer any consequences no matter how unintentional, before people who voted against that proposal have to suffer. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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it is related to the discussing, if you can't or will not answer then you really should not post and I should not reply to your posts.
 
Matdom you're deliberately trying to miss-frame the point, while concerned with refugee's nobody is talking about housing them in their homes indefinitely, it is and would be a temporary measure until more suitable accommodation could be found for them to prevent them sleeping on the streets.

Whether that takes a few days, weeks or even months if I had a spare room I would offer it.

As for those wishing to make a life in a new country, yes there are bound to be some who do want that, but lets not forget the media and their tendencies for sensationalist bias. The percentage is probably exceptionally low. And even if not, by making a life for themselves is not sponging off benefits... our economy would benefit!
 
Caged said:
I specifically didn't say that every person who opposes immigration is a racist because I'm aware that is not true and because it awakens robgmun who then posts a bunch of unrelated stuff about liberals and the Labour party. However, a huge number of people are unable to express an anti-immigration stance without also coming across as a racist. The post I quoted is one of those.
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I have a problem with our immigration system and think we should leave the EU because of it.

Main reason is because we have to discriminate against excellent applications to come here from well educated people from all over the world simply because we aren't from the EU and have to favour people from there.

You can't tell me for one second that uneducated non English speaking Roma are worth more to our economy than say a student from Africa who has completed their studies here.
 
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Vidar said:
Matdom you're deliberately trying to miss-frame the point, while concerned with refugee's nobody is talking about housing them in their homes indefinitely, it is and would be a temporary measure until more suitable accommodation could be found for them to prevent them sleeping on the streets.

Whether that takes a few days, weeks or even months if I had a spare room I would offer it.

As for those wishing to make a life in a new country, yes there are bound to be some who do want that, but lets not forget the media and their tendencies for sensationalist bias. The percentage is probably exceptionally low. And even if not, by making a life for themselves is not sponging off benefits... our economy would benefit!
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There you go you only wishing to temp help them and wash your hands of them later on and offload them onto others.
Why should they be helped and some people in this country that can't find homes to live in still sleep on the streets.
 
kitch9 said:
I have a problem with our immigration system and think we should leave the EU because of it.

Main reason is because we have to discriminate against excellent applications to come here from well educated people from all over the world simply because we aren't from the EU and have to favour people from there.

You can't tell me for one second that uneducated non English speaking Roma are worth more to our economy than say a student from Africa who has completed their studies here.
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I don't have an issue with your argument at all, it sounds quite logical and it's been put forward without any racial overtones.

The EU membership doesn't just affect immigration though, so I would need a know a lot more about what it brings before wanting to leave just to stop people from central Europe wandering over here freely.
 
Billies Bangers said:
I said this yesterday and stand by it. I think there should be a referendum among British people in order to gauge support for any further immigration.

The criteria has to be British born and bred with at least thirty years of paying taxes and NI into the system.

I would be more than happy to stand by the result though I suspect many would not be happy with this. I also suspect I know what the result would be too.

It's easy to bang a drum when you are young and have contributed next to nothing. I can however confirm ones views change with age and sacrifice.
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This all sounds a bit true Scotsman. What aspect of the eligible pool of voters do you think you are capturing by insisting on 30 years of paying taxes and NI contributions? Is 30 years of paying minimal amounts of tax and NI getting you a better class of voter than someone who has paid only 6 years of tax and NI but the number is much larger? What about people who were born abroad before moving here as a child, are legally British, consider themselves British, and meet your tax and NI requirements?

Or is it just a way of building yourself an echo chamber?
 
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