The labour Leader thread...

[Nutella33]

:rolle-last-9542833.html[/url]as for the result, GREAT. Let's get back too the old Labour party which setup the greatest healthcare system in the world at a time after WWII in which we owed more money than ever in recorded history (70%GDP Vs 180%GDP!! approx).

By begging the Americans for the money and going through decades of hardship paying that money off? It won't work this time around, and doesn't seem too attractive if you mention the realities of it.

And the labour party of modern times even under JC will never come close to such a huge achievement. I doubt they could even roll back the PFI issues. Rose tinted glasses of the past are often attributed to the tories but both parties are guilty of it.

 

[Uther]

Copied, thanks.

1: Osama Bin Ladens death was a tragedy. He should have been captured, tried, convicted and rotted in a jail for the rest of his life. That would have been justice, not the quick death the Americans granted him. Which incidently you'd know was what Corbyn said if you'd have bothered do some research into that "out of context" sensationalist headline says.

Don't forget to add amigafans quote when you pass it on...

 

[George Hincapie]

What was cropped out?

More of the same, I just couldn't capture it all to crop.

 

[elmarko]

More of the same, I just couldn't capture it all to crop.

Love or loath his policies you would have to be an idiot to think using those quotes in isolation isn't a miss representation (missing out the part of wanting him to stand trail is dishonest is low even for the Conservatives).

If anything it highlights desperation if they have to resort to quote mining.

 

[Rroff]

11 contracts and 780Million says otherwise:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/...est-ever-privatisation-deal-to-tackle-backlog ( The Tories would have the whole thing privatized if they could, you know a bit like the US system that came bottom of the study!)

You make out that the NHS is awful and not fit for purpose, a recent US study says otherwise:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...rn-countries-with-us-coming-last-9542833.html

The right-wing media/propaganda has worked wonders on you, I suggest a little critical thinking and skepticism!!

As for the result, GREAT. Let's get back too the old Labour party which setup the greatest healthcare system in the world at a time after WWII in which we owed more money than ever in recorded history (70%GDP Vs 180%GDP!! approx).

The NHS is more a happy accident of (mostly) doomed post-war socialist policies - that said its saddens me to see it sabotaged one way or another by politics, industry, the users, etc. as its one of the few things we've done that is truly on the level of an advanced civilisation and something everyone should aspire to support regardless of political differences, personal agendas, etc.

 

[Tummy]

Greens will definitely lose members. Lib Dems will probably gain a few.

In fact, I think you could say that Corbyn is the saviour of the Lib Dem party.

I cannot remember where I read this; but I'm sure this is some what accurate.

Under Blair, Labour lost something like 250'000 members and so far with Corbyn they have gained something like 400'000 members?

 

[FoxEye]

Labour advisor on the BBC: Corbyn needs to move to the right, there is no popular support for a left-wing Labour party.

Asked how Corbyn won 60% of the vote: Labour voters too left-wing. Party needs to appeal to Tory voters and Labour voters alike.

/facepalm

 

[Scrutinize]

I think this is the first time labour have had a credible leader who stands by the core socialist values and who has a chance of winning the election in modern times.

I like this guy and I am die hard Tory.

I think people will underestimate how much support he will gather by taking the party to the far left.

 

[FoxEye]

I think this is the first time labour have had a credible leader who stands by the core socialist values and who has a chance of winning the election in modern times.

I like this guy and I am die hard Tory.

I think people will underestimate how much support he will gather by taking the party to the far left.

He gains massive bonus points for not saying, like all the others did, "We need to stand for what we think will be popular with voters." That was always extremely off-putting. Stand for something you believe in.

 

[muon]

Labour advisor on the BBC: Corbyn needs to move to the right, there is no popular support for a left-wing Labour party.

Asked how Corbyn won 60% of the vote: Labour voters too left-wing. Party needs to appeal to Tory voters and Labour voters alike.

/facepalm

The point is that those who voted on this leadership election are a very different mix to the normal Labour voters and the type of votes they are trying to swing.

It's no good swinging so far to the left you end up with 2 million core votes but next to no seats like the Green Party do.

However, if democratic elections result in that, then so be it. The party has only themselves to blame.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

That's the thing, he'll be what, 70? by the next election? Even if he wins that one, he'll then be 75 by the time there's a next election coming round again.

Gladstone was 84 when he left office.

I don't think age has any bearing on suitablity for the office.

 

[Jokester]

Gladstone was 84 when he left office.

I don't think age has any bearing on suitablity for the office.

Indeed. But he needs to be voted in by the ****less voters. Gladstone didn't need to be media savvy to get elected or worry about his image to voters. It's unlikely most people even knew what age he was or even what he looked like in those days.

 

[McPhee]

Greens will definitely lose members. Lib Dems will probably gain a few.

In fact, I think you could say that Corbyn is the saviour of the Lib Dem party.

Have you heard Tim Farron? The Lib Dems today aren't a million miles away from where Corbyn's Labour Party will be (pretty much the same territory the Lib Dems held before Clegg took them to the right).

The only party left that has a home for Blairites is the Tory Party.

 

[jsmoke]

I think this is the first time labour have had a credible leader who stands by the core socialist values and who has a chance of winning the election in modern times.

I like this guy and I am die hard Tory.

I think people will underestimate how much support he will gather by taking the party to the far left.

Labour were in power for 13 years.

In other words you have no clue what you stand for.

Why would they underestimate it, he's a humanistic seducer, JC loves only JC.

 

[Trifid]

Labour were in power for 13 years.

In other words you have no clue what you stand for.

I think you need to reread the sentence again, without adding additional grammar that isn't there.

 

[No1newts]

Have you heard Tim Farron? The Lib Dems today aren't a million miles away from where Corbyn's Labour Party will be (pretty much the same territory the Lib Dems held before Clegg took them to the right).

The only party left that has a home for Blairites is the Tory Party.

I think this is a decent point as most Brits have over the last 20 years been voting on differing shades of Tory. Will be interesting to see if this is an actual shift in what the population genuinely want or if it was simply as there was no alternative. If it is a shift then could see a strange situation of Labour Party supporters becoming Tories.

 

[Housey]

Tom & Jerry.

 

[muon]

I think this is a decent point as most Brits have over the last 20 years been voting on differing shades of Tory. Will be interesting to see if this is an actual shift in what the population genuinely want or if it was simply as there was no alternative. If it is a shift then could see a strange situation of Labour Party supporters becoming Tories.

As there is no credible party to the right of the Conservatives, they could actually move slightly to the left and just mop up all the old Labour voters.

Alternatively, they could actually stay where they are or even move further to the right knowing that centrist Labour voters still won't vote for Corbyn.

I'm sure anyone that has studied any politics/economics will have seen this before

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_voter_theorem

 

[Judgeneo]

I don't like his policies, but I do like him. If the news about all those shadow ministers resigning is true, then all the better.


British politics has been full of faceless numpties for far too long. I hope this result will shake things up significantly.

 

[George Hincapie]

Labour advisor on the BBC: Corbyn needs to move to the right, there is no popular support for a left-wing Labour party.

Asked how Corbyn won 60% of the vote: Labour voters too left-wing. Party needs to appeal to Tory voters and Labour voters alike.

/facepalm

Why are you confused? The people who elected him Leader don't represent the Nation. It was only people voting within the Party; what did he get? 200K votes?

Popular support = the Country as a whole, not the membership of one Party.

/facepalm