The labour Leader thread...

Sliver · 12 Sep 2015 at 21:17

Tefal said:
funny cause you do it all the time in threads about Muslims.

Really ? Quote one. You're full of it aren't you. Quote one. One quote from me about muslims where I predict the future. Do it. DO IT !

V F · 12 Sep 2015 at 21:18

helpimcrap said:
What summed it up for me was the chanting like a football crowd outside the meeting place. Instant dislike of the kinds of people he will attract....

That was horrible. Though, Billy Bragg was there.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...flag-after-corbyns-refugee-rally-speech-video

muon · 12 Sep 2015 at 21:18

StriderX said:
Lol at the far-left comments, study politics a bit more please before producing bile.

A textbook definition of what it used to mean 30/40 years ago is irrelevant.

Marxism isn't a relevant benchmark for the far left. It isn't a realistic outcome anymore.

Being left and right is all subjective and is relative to the prevailing centre at the time. You have to begin narrowing the spectrum down.

I suggest you use some thought instead of pointing to irrelevant old textbook spectrums. Politics isn't Physics.

StriderX · 12 Sep 2015 at 21:21

muon said:
A textbook definition of what it used to mean 30/40 years ago is irrelevant.

Marxism isn't a relevant benchmark for the far left. It isn't a realistic outcome anymore.

Being left and right is all subjective and is relative to the prevailing centre at the time. You have to begin narrowing the spectrum down.

I suggest you use some thought instead of pointing to irrelevant old textbook spectrums. Politics isn't Physics.

Where did i say anything about Marxism?

Id much rather be living a in Federalism than this pansy show we have currently, but we have to make do.

Tefal · 12 Sep 2015 at 21:22

Sliver said:
Really ? Quote one. You're full of it aren't you. Quote one. One quote from me about muslims where I predict the future. Do it. DO IT !

ok

Sliver said:
IS is a passing phase. They can not win. They are out gunned and out politicked, Like Al Qaeda, they will be beaten down. Then, just like cutting the head off the Hydra, two more heads will appear to fight.

so entire future of the middle east predicted in one post....

You're welcome Meg

muon · 12 Sep 2015 at 21:23

StriderX said:
Where did i say anything about Marxism?

Id much rather be living a in Federalism than this pansy show we have currently, but we have to make do.

What has Federalism got to do with anything.

StriderX · 12 Sep 2015 at 21:23

muon said:
What has Federalism got to do with anything.

Everything.

Sliver · 12 Sep 2015 at 21:24

Tefal said:
so entire future of the middle east predicted in one post....

That was an opinion not a prediction. Learn to debate and not strawman people to win points with the sheeple.

Yaayuh! · 12 Sep 2015 at 21:32

Huzzah!

Freddie1980 · 12 Sep 2015 at 21:48

MichaelAwkward said:
No.

He is categorically not far left. He's centre-left. The whole point of the political spectrum is that it isn't subjective.

Sounds like your trying to convince yourself. IMO he is not centre left, nationalisation of industries, higher taxes on the wealth creators, nuclear disarmament etc are all positions of the left. The trouble for people like myself I'm not old enough to know a labour party that wasn't 3rd party or social democrat. In fact I have to all the way back to 1945 to find the last socialist labour government, even Wilison described himself as social democrat.

Uriel · 12 Sep 2015 at 22:15

I've been reluctant to bother voting in every election for which I've been eligible. This has just changed that. If others are like me we may actually see a decent turnout for the next general election.

Mr Jack · 12 Sep 2015 at 22:24

muon said:
As much as there are caveats, swinging way to the left of the median voter will require a lot of those caveats to all go for you to win a popular vote.

For Corbyn to win there has to be a massive peak to the left which may not even exist. You can introduce multiple dimensions, but the economy is undoubtedly the main one of consequence over the last decade.

For Corbyn to win he needs to persuade around 25%-30% of the potential electorate that he is in their best interests and it's worth voting for him. Just as Cameron did in 2015. That's simply not as simple as left/right politics.

Similarly as much as there are caveats to efficient market hypotheses, it requires something special for it to be very wrong.

The efficient market hypothesis is desperately, hilariously wrong in pretty much all circumstances. Median voter is more meaningful but still a poor way of looking at it.

Burnsy2023 · 12 Sep 2015 at 22:29

matdom said:
they should not allowed to be MPs.

Why on earth not? Just because they don't want to serve on the front bench?

Jono8 · 12 Sep 2015 at 22:32

Has Corbyn stated how many refugees he will be taking into his own home and supporting with his £67k salary yet?

Flack88 · 12 Sep 2015 at 22:36

Sums up Labour quite nicely.

Freddie1980 · 12 Sep 2015 at 22:43

Jono8 said:
Has Corbyn stated how many refugees he will be taking into his own home and supporting with his £67k salary yet?

As leader of opposition he now gets 73.5k.

Apparently Corbyn is letting someone else do PMQ's next week.

Jono8 · 12 Sep 2015 at 22:44

Freddie1980 said:
As leader of opposition he now gets 73.5k.

Apparently Corbyn is letting someone else do PMQ's next week.

Good, he should be able to support even more then.

Scania · 12 Sep 2015 at 22:54

StriderX said:
Lol at the far-left comments, study politics a bit more please before producing bile.

Oh, my mistake, he's clearly centre / right then? Get real!

muon · 12 Sep 2015 at 22:54

Jono8 said:
Good, he should be able to support even more then.

He pays a fair bit of tax. I don't get your point. Like anyone else he has a say on how his taxes shoukd be spent and what level of taxation is fair.

Refugees don't wiah to go into people's homes. Nor do many people wabt to take them into their homes.

It makes more sense to make refugee centres and the n incorporate into society as any resident of the UK exists.

Faustus · 12 Sep 2015 at 23:00

Deeply disappointed by the result. I have been a Labour supporter for 41 years but from today no more - I will not be renewing my membership.

Corbyn is taking Labour forward to the past and I'm very much afraid, electoral oblivion. It's Michael Foot all over again.

The electorate didn't vote for Foot then and given the changes in society in the 21st century they are not going to vote for a Corbyn platform now.

I think we are witnessing the end of the Labour party in any meaningful way for at least a generation. I wonder how Ed Milliband is feeling tonight, not only did he lead Labour to their worst election defeat in many many years but he has handed over the asylum to the lunatics.