The labour Leader thread...

ReltonBFD · 13 Sep 2015 at 07:29

Fantastic news, hope he stays till the GE.

Labour, hopefully are done for and that makes me happy.

I actually like politician's like corbyn, farage straight shooters.

Burnham just used general political soundbites to appeal to everyone, kendell was at the wrong party election, Cooper just Lol

Sankari · 13 Sep 2015 at 08:53

Corbyn is a Europskeptic who wants to get out of the EU, and that's a popular idea right now so I'll be very interested to see how this plays out in his policies.

It's got to worry Cameron, who is gambling on a promised referendum some time in the very convenient future.

Cosimo · 13 Sep 2015 at 09:08

Evangelion said:
Corbyn is a Europskeptic who wants to get out of the EU, and that's a popular idea right now so I'll be very interested to see how this plays out in his policies.

Really, it's not what he says:

In a statement released to the Guardian, Corbyn said: “Labour should set out its own clear position to influence negotiations, working with our European allies to set out a reform agenda to benefit ordinary Europeans across the continent. We cannot be content with the state of the EU as it stands. But that does not mean walking away, but staying to fight together for a better Europe.”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/28/jeremy-corbyn-backs-british-membership-of-eu

Freddie1980 · 13 Sep 2015 at 09:11

Naff8000 said:
I cannot see how Corbyn has a hope of winning the next election. Until he and his supporters convince me they aren't going to treat the economy as a public toilet then I'd vote for anything but them. I think the Tory strat will be to create horror movies RE Corbyn's Islamic ties and just sit back. The only thing that worries me is Osbourne becoming leader.

Corbyn seems to be one of those lefties that is friendly with any group that hates Britain or has an agenda that's against the opposite of our own. Just look at who he is friendly with:

- Hammas
- Hezbollah
- The Mahdi Army
- Sinn Fein/IRA
- CND
- Stop The War

Just look at tht list its a whos who of terrorist organisations and political groups that re rife with anti semite views. Im not calling Corbyn an anti semite but from his campaign a sizeble portion of his supports do have such views sadly. Oh and he wants some sort of joint administration of the Falklands even though the islanders voted to remain British just recently.

Is this really who you want in number 10?

Destination · 13 Sep 2015 at 09:17

Talking to, discussing with and 'being friendly with' are very different things.
I think the Tories should stay away from scaremongering on the basis of what platforms the man sat on 20 and 10 years ago.
Stick to policies and actual fiscal information and ruin him on those grounds.

MichaelAwkward · 13 Sep 2015 at 09:20

Freddie1980 said:
Sounds like your trying to convince yourself. IMO he is not centre left, nationalisation of industries, higher taxes on the wealth creators, nuclear disarmament etc are all positions of the left. The trouble for people like myself I'm not old enough to know a labour party that wasn't 3rd party or social democrat. In fact I have to all the way back to 1945 to find the last socialist labour government, even Wilison described himself as social democrat.

He hasn't said he wants to nationalise all industries. He said that he wanted to have a debate about whether in certain industries it makes sense to nationalise them, such as the railways and utilities, where it's obvious that the free market hasn't helped.

Wealth creators is a misnomer and the progressive lowering of taxes on higher earners that has occured over the last 50 years has only served to concentrate wealth in an ever smaller proportion of society. There is no tangible evidence to suggest that lowering of taxes on the wealthy was the main cause of the rise in living standards over the same time period.

Nuclear disarmament? That isn't even remotely a position of the left! Some of the furthest left politicians of the 20th century were responsible for the nuclear arms race and the Cold War...

New Labour was Third Way politics aka Tory-lite aka try to please everyone. That hasn't worked. They were not social democrats.

I'm not trying to convince myself of anything. The right wing media has, since Corbyn became a candidate, sought to convince centre-right leaning people such as yourself that he is a far-left candidate when the fact is that there is no factual evidence to support that opinion.

Freddie1980 · 13 Sep 2015 at 09:22

Tom Watson is on the Andrew Marr show. I disagree with Corbyns politics but I understand why you voted him but Watson? The guy is a loud month idiot, anyone remember the pipsqueak comments? I swear if he atood up now his seat would still be attached to his backside.

Cosimo · 13 Sep 2015 at 09:27

Lots are very happy about his election:

Russian newspaper Kommersant

“The future leader of the British opposition appears to be the most pro-Russian politician in the history of the United Kingdom since the end of the Cold War: he calls for the dissolution of Nato, criticises the West for its stance about Ukraine, is in favour of better ties with Moscow and prefers the RT channel to British television.”

Argentine president Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner

“Jeremy Corbyn is a great friend of Latin America and shares, in solidarity, our demands for equality and political sovereignty. He has clearly spoken in favour of Argentina in the British parliament regarding our struggle for human rights, against the usurious interests of vulture funds. In addition, he actively supports the call of the international community for dialogue between the United Kingdom and Argentina in the Malvinas question.”

Hamas-run Al-Risalah website

“He is one of the most prominent British figures who voiced solidarity with the Palestinian cause and declared his rejection of the war on Gaza.”

You can guess who said this....

“Jez he did! Finally a political movement in the UK that’s about humanity and inclusion. #I’mCorbynupso youbettergetthis partystarted!”

MichaelAwkward · 13 Sep 2015 at 09:28

Freddie1980 said:
Corbyn seems to be one of those lefties that is friendly with any group that hates Britain or has an agenda that's against the opposite of our own. Just look at who he is friendly with:

- Hammas
- Hezbollah
- The Mahdi Army
- Sinn Fein/IRA
- CND
- Stop The War

Just look at tht list its a whos who of terrorist organisations and political groups that re rife with anti semite views. Im not calling Corbyn an anti semite but from his campaign a sizeble portion of his supports do have such views sadly. Oh and he wants some sort of joint administration of the Falklands even though the islanders voted to remain British just recently.

Is this really who you want in number 10?

Yes?

Being friendly with those groups and opening up lines of discussion with the end goal of peace in mind seems like a better path to take than ignoring them, aggravating them and killing them - in the process creating more enemies and resentment around the world that inevitably leads to more British citizens dying.

Dolph · 13 Sep 2015 at 09:35

MichaelAwkward said:
He hasn't said he wants to nationalise all industries. He said that he wanted to have a debate about whether in certain industries it makes sense to nationalise them, such as the railways and utilities, where it's obvious that the free market hasn't helped.

Wealth creators is a misnomer and the progressive lowering of taxes on higher earners that has occured over the last 50 years has only served to concentrate wealth in an ever smaller proportion of society. There is no tangible evidence to suggest that lowering of taxes on the wealthy was the main cause of the rise in living standards over the same time period.

Nuclear disarmament? That isn't even remotely a position of the left! Some of the furthest left politicians of the 20th century were responsible for the nuclear arms race and the Cold War...

New Labour was Third Way politics aka Tory-lite aka try to please everyone. That hasn't worked. They were not social democrats.

I'm not trying to convince myself of anything. The right wing media has, since Corbyn became a candidate, sought to convince centre-right leaning people such as yourself that he is a far-left candidate when the fact is that there is no factual evidence to support that opinion.

He has also advocated nationalising those industries without compensation, or property theft and economic ruin if you prefer to be honest

Fortunately the beliefs of 250,000 labour party voters is so far out of whack with the rest of the country, it will never happen.

Dolph · 13 Sep 2015 at 09:36

MichaelAwkward said:
Yes?

Being friendly with those groups and opening up lines of discussion with the end goal of peace in mind seems like a better path to take than ignoring them, aggravating them and killing them - in the process creating more enemies and resentment around the world that inevitably leads to more British citizens dying.

This implies some sort of compromise is possible or desireable with these groups. That is a fallacy to start with.

atpbx · 13 Sep 2015 at 09:38

The whole situation is very amusing, he literally is the anger free Arnold Rimmer from the "polymorph" episode of Red Dwarf.

When it comes to talking about terrorists, communists, human rights abusers, murderers etc.

When it comes to reporters and the like asking questions he doesn't like, well that seems to be the only time he actually shows some backbone.

Freakbro · 13 Sep 2015 at 09:53

Hikari Kisugi said:
Talking to, discussing with and 'being friendly with' are very different things.
I think the Tories should stay away from scaremongering on the basis of what platforms the man sat on 20 and 10 years ago.
Stick to policies and actual fiscal information and ruin him on those grounds.

Err, you do know how modern politics works, right?

I don't think it's got anything to do with sticking to arguing about your own policies and positives

robgmun · 13 Sep 2015 at 09:54

The BBC fawning over Corbyn is hilarious

They're reporting it as if he won the GE

danielanthony · 13 Sep 2015 at 10:06

Who are 'the wealthy' as described in this thread?

Is it people who earn £30,000? £40,000? £50,000?

There's also a big difference in taxation between those in work who pay PAYE and the super rich who don't. Try to imagine who is easier to tax.

MrMoonX · 13 Sep 2015 at 10:12

So many people in this thread brainwashed by the Tory economic propaganda! You should probably all look into the figures as the current government are borrowing more

Freddie1980 · 13 Sep 2015 at 10:18

danielanthony said:
Who are 'the wealthy' as described in this thread?

Is it people who earn £30,000? £40,000? £50,000?

There's also a big difference in taxation between those in work who pay PAYE and the super rich who don't. Try to imagine who is easier to tax.

As far as the exchequer is concerned wealthy is anyone earning over 150k.

koolpc · 13 Sep 2015 at 10:30

MrMoonX said:
So many people in this thread brainwashed by the Tory economic propaganda! You should probably all look into the figures as the current government are borrowing more

Very true!!

FoxEye · 13 Sep 2015 at 10:33

Dolph said:
He has also advocated nationalising those industries without compensation, or property theft and economic ruin if you prefer to be honest

Fortunately the beliefs of 250,000 labour party voters is so far out of whack with the rest of the country, it will never happen.

Oh come on. Economic ruin?

What happened when they re-nationalised the East Coast mainline? The trains stopped running, right? The taxpayer got stung with massive bills, right?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...l-line-returns-209m-to-taxpayers-8866157.html

Hmm, doesn't seem so bad...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_nationalization

Why can other countries have successful nationalised railways if it would be such a disaster for us?

Scaremongering.

Stolly · 13 Sep 2015 at 10:34

MichaelAwkward said:
Yes?

Being friendly with those groups and opening up lines of discussion with the end goal of peace in mind seems like a better path to take than ignoring them, aggravating them and killing them - in the process creating more enemies and resentment around the world that inevitably leads to more British citizens dying.

The solution to these problems is for the moderates of both sides coming to some form of compromise. If you think Corbyn or the groups listed are the moderates then fine but I suspect a great many people feel they not.