Pray tell which statements are "nonsense".
The labour Leader thread...
- Thread starter easyrider
- Start date
Pray tell which statements are "nonsense".
If he's anti-British, why is he against the EU? Maybe UKIP are anti-British too!
Old news, Diane Abbott has said this morning she's spoken to him and he's absolutely committed to Europe, no chance of leaving whatsoever.
It would be nice to hear it straight from the horses mouth.
Soldato
- Joined
- 14 Feb 2004
- Posts
- 14,315
- Location
- Peoples Republic of Histonia, Cambridge
I hope Corbyn is able to keep a lid on some of his political baggage.
Since opposition party's rarely commit to policy decisions until two weeks before a general election these days, it might be hard to know what he stands for for a few years yet.
If he sticks to economics, and social justice he possibly has a future. However, there clearly isn't broad support for scrapping trident, hugging terrorists, mass immigration etc amongst people at home or our international allies.
It would be a shame if radical foreign policy got in the way of proper debate over domestic economic policy.
It will be very tough for him to escape his past.
If he's anti-British, why is he against the EU? Maybe UKIP are anti-British too!
The two are not mutually exclusive. You can be both if you consider the EU a propagation of British (or indeed west European) power. The destruction of the EU would lessen western Europe's voice on the world stage.
This is why Russia for example helps fund extreme right and left parties who support this position.
Anecdotal only, not to mention the several prominent MPs that have declined to work in shadow cabinet. His views are not popular amongst Blairites for example. He will be popular with the left leaning voters, less popular with centre left voters.
I never stated that this forum was a reliable gauge for public opinion, but you seem to be dismissing any criticism using the "No true Scotsman" fallacy.
The only thing I have in common with Jeremy Corbyn is a white beard.
That said I do believe that at some level, obscured or not, Government must have some contact with people who wish the UK harm (the IRA in the 80's and 90's for example).
I do really hope that this Labour party come nowhere near Government.
That said I do believe that at some level, obscured or not, Government must have some contact with people who wish the UK harm (the IRA in the 80's and 90's for example).
I do really hope that this Labour party come nowhere near Government.
Absolute twaddle. She dragged the country kicking and screaming out of the past.
Somehow Thatcher managed to make everyone in the country selfish. I don't know how she managed such a thing but she was that powerful it seems...
Yep, everyone. So selfish. It's amazing we have any charity organisations existing...
Even those born well after her PM days are selfish because of her. Especially those born after her death, they are the most selfish of all.
I'm guessing you're the obvious exception to this rule?
Last edited:
Soldato
- Joined
- 25 Sep 2009
- Posts
- 10,237
- Location
- Billericay, UK
Winning in Scotland won't mean Labour will win the next election, even if you add on all the seats Labour lost in Scotland they wouldn't even come close to a majority. Besides to get Scotland back I can't see what policies Corbyn and announce that would resonate with both working class Scots and working class southerners/Essex man/Mondeo man etc.
Yep, everyone. So selfish. It's amazing we have any charity organisations existing...
Even those born well after her PM days are selfish because of her. Especially those born after her death, they are the most selfish of all.
I'm guessing you're the obvious exception to this rule?
It's typical British practice to knock those who are successful in life, those people are either corrupt, selfish or privileged.
Last edited:
A large part of Corbyn's risk factor is implicit in that. You cannot win a general election on "known voters" of any party, because a very large number of voters aren't "known". They aren't generally members of any political party, don't engage in public debates, and are often too busy living actual lives to pay much attention to politics or politicians unless a major vote is imminent. I'm reasonably interested, but have noticed that discussing politics usually either leads to an argument, among those that are interested, or empties the room of those that aren't faster than half a dozen stink bombs.
"Known" Labour voters have at least one thing in common with "known" Tory voters - neither are likely to change their mind. Elections, on the other hand, are lost or won by who does the best job of attracting, or conversely frightening off, that critical block of floating voters that don't have party allegiances, and more than that, floating voters in marginal seats.
Over the years, my vote has gone to Labour, Conservative and once, yes, even UKIP. Sometimes, it's a positive vote for who I do want, sometimes it's a negative vote against someone I certainly don't want, and in both cases, it's informed by local conditions. And in the case of the UKIP vote, in EU elections, it was essentially a one-issue vote, which certainly is not the case in a general election.
If Corbyn/McDonnell are the labour team come the next General Election, my vote is very likely to go to whichever candidate is most likely to defeat a Labour candidate, because nothing any of the others stand for is likely to be less appealing to me, as a non-partisan floating voter with no Party allegiance, than the platform those two stand for. If that means gritting my teeth and voting for Osbornian Tories, or even Farage, so be it.
Personally, I feel absolutely no party allegiance. I vote on who stands for what, and what I think is in my best interests, which comes down to what I think is in the country's best interests. My belief is that that's why most floating voters float. And aren't "known" voters for any party. Even I don't always know who I'm going to vote for until I'm standing there, pencil in hand, looking at the ballot paper.
Soldato
- Joined
- 25 Sep 2009
- Posts
- 10,237
- Location
- Billericay, UK
Has anyone else read up on John McDonnell? If he become Chancellor I fear the cold austere hand of Marxism will be ripping the last £5 note from my wallet and it will be bye, bye dreams and ambition. I would seriously consider emigrating if he were in charge of the countries finances.
Diane Abbot is a Racist black woman against whites, she is an arrogant nasty piece of work. As far as I'm concerned Labour is even more of a disgusting party than it was before!
I can't wait to read that ISIS appear in Government as Jeremy feels it's the best way for peace
Yep, everyone. So selfish. It's amazing we have any charity organisations existing...
Even those born well after her PM days are selfish because of her. Especially those born after her death, they are the most selfish of all.
I'm guessing you're the obvious exception to this rule?
I was fairly obviously being sarcastic?
Clearly you wasn't. Especially when a variety of posts on previous page echoed your statement, and even went as far as trying to justify it.
In future please use appropriate emoticons to avoid the embarrassing confusion. '
' would suffice. Kindest Regards,
Fellow Thatcher lover.
Soldato
- Joined
- 8 Nov 2006
- Posts
- 7,634
- Location
- Ireland/Northern Ireland Border
Diane Abbot is a Racist black woman against whites, she is an arrogant nasty piece of work. As far as I'm concerned Labour is even more of a disgusting party than it was before!
I can't wait to read that ISIS appear in Government as Jeremy feels it's the best way for peace
You whites are all about divide and rule aren't you!
It is as old as colonialism.
