The labour Leader thread...

Neil79 said:
Diane Abbot is a Racist black woman against whites, she is an arrogant nasty piece of work. As far as I'm concerned Labour is even more of a disgusting party than it was before!

I can't wait to read that ISIS appear in Government as Jeremy feels it's the best way for peace :p
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Abbot is by no means the worse labour MP for that type of thing. Remember Emily Thornberry?
 
Overall a pretty decent shadow cabinet, we'll see how well they work together in the coming years but it represents a good balance between the strong left wing mandate Corbyn was elected with and the need to compromise and involve other sections of the party.

Only omission i'm a bit upset about is Stella Creasy, but i'm sure she'll have a part to play in the future.
 
Neil79 said:
Diane Abbot is a Racist black woman against whites, she is an arrogant nasty piece of work. As far as I'm concerned Labour is even more of a disgusting party than it was before!

I can't wait to read that ISIS appear in Government as Jeremy feels it's the best way for peace :p
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I've met her, I'm white and she was lovely to me, she's no racist but you are
 
MrMoonX said:
I've met her, I'm white and she was lovely to me, she's no racist but you are
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She's anything but racist :D

I've met her countless times as she's my MP.

Another note on Corbyn's cabinet, I love the idea of having a dedicated mental health minister.
 
Dimi said:
She's anything but racist :D

I've met her countless times as she's my MP.

Another note on Corbyn's cabinet, I love the idea of having a dedicated mental health minister.
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I just like the idea of having a cabinet that isn't dedicated to making themselves and their mates richer and the expense of the poor and disabled, but gonna have to wait 5 years for that!
 
MrMoonX said:
I just like the idea of having a cabinet that isn't dedicated to making themselves and their mates richer and the expense of the poor and disabled, but gonna have to wait 5 years for that!
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Assume that that is the case for one minute, you would rather have a government that trashes the economy losing us billions instead?
 
Naff8000 said:
Assume that that is the case for one minute, you would rather have a government that trashes the economy losing us billions instead?
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That's what we have now. Osborne has been a total disaster, insanely adopting contractionary policies in the face of a recession has cost the UK economy somewhere in the order of £45-60bn a year even by conservative estimates.
 
Mr Jack said:
That's what we have now. Osborne has been a total disaster, insanely adopting contractionary policies in the face of a recession has cost the UK economy somewhere in the order of £45-60bn a year even by conservative estimates.
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Is that conservative estimates or is that estimates from the conservatives? And no party runs an economic policy that isn't what they consider the most effective. Its also really easy to guess how much better of we would be if policies that were not exposed to actual markets and which are calculated in hindsight would have been.
 
Mr Jack said:
That's what we have now. Osborne has been a total disaster, insanely adopting contractionary policies in the face of a recession has cost the UK economy somewhere in the order of £45-60bn a year even by conservative estimates.
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Yes we should have borrowed more. Of course.

Plus where on earth did you get that figure from?
 
Aldav said:
A large part of Corbyn's risk factor is implicit in that. You cannot win a general election on "known voters" of any party, because a very large number of voters aren't "known". They aren't generally members of any political party, don't engage in public debates, and are often too busy living actual lives to pay much attention to politics or politicians unless a major vote is imminent. I'm reasonably interested, but have noticed that discussing politics usually either leads to an argument, among those that are interested, or empties the room of those that aren't faster than half a dozen stink bombs.

"Known" Labour voters have at least one thing in common with "known" Tory voters - neither are likely to change their mind. Elections, on the other hand, are lost or won by who does the best job of attracting, or conversely frightening off, that critical block of floating voters that don't have party allegiances, and more than that, floating voters in marginal seats.

Over the years, my vote has gone to Labour, Conservative and once, yes, even UKIP. Sometimes, it's a positive vote for who I do want, sometimes it's a negative vote against someone I certainly don't want, and in both cases, it's informed by local conditions. And in the case of the UKIP vote, in EU elections, it was essentially a one-issue vote, which certainly is not the case in a general election.

If Corbyn/McDonnell are the labour team come the next General Election, my vote is very likely to go to whichever candidate is most likely to defeat a Labour candidate, because nothing any of the others stand for is likely to be less appealing to me, as a non-partisan floating voter with no Party allegiance, than the platform those two stand for. If that means gritting my teeth and voting for Osbornian Tories, or even Farage, so be it.

Personally, I feel absolutely no party allegiance. I vote on who stands for what, and what I think is in my best interests, which comes down to what I think is in the country's best interests. My belief is that that's why most floating voters float. And aren't "known" voters for any party. Even I don't always know who I'm going to vote for until I'm standing there, pencil in hand, looking at the ballot paper.
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Tbh I doubt UKIP voters are going to be swayed by his arguments.
 
Naff8000 said:
Assume that that is the case for one minute, you would rather have a government that trashes the economy losing us billions instead?
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Please cite an example of when Labour has trashed the economy?.

Unless of course you are blaming them for the global finical crisis.
 
Reading up on James Callaghan's government is a good start.

Labour didn't cause the crash but their profligate borrowing - seemingly gambled on the fallacy of infinite growth - didn't help matters.
 
elmarko said:
Please cite an example of when Labour has trashed the economy?.

Unless of course you are blaming them for the global finical crisis.
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The 70's which was the last time we saw old Labour in power so great to have them back.

I wouldn't blame Brown and co for the financial crisis but they we're caught up hook line and sinker by Morgan Stanley's model of beating the business cycle.
 
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