The labour Leader thread...

Faustus said:
Well I have been a Labour Party supporter for 41 years but not anymore. Only a fool backs a loser.
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...Labour have only won 4 general elections in those 41 years. You've backed the loser an awful lot for someone who has issue with it.

Seems mad to me to categorically state, at this early stage, who you will and won't vote for at the next GE. There's very little real policy at this time - a lot of 'what-ifs', 'maybes' and 'mights'. Policy might not be half as radical as some people expect. Besides, anything could happen between now and 2020. We could be out of Europe, Scotland could be on the verge of another independence vote and May could be leading the Tory Party. That would be interesting - a General Election with nobody in the centre-ground and the economic chaos that would follow 'Brexit' and another Scottish Independence Referendum.
 
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Faustus said:
Wow! man from Surrey likes living under a Tory administration - who'd have predicted that eh? :rolleyes:
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Sorry that I work and contribute to society. No person in full time employment in the uk can claim they would have been better off under labour than the last conservative government. Love the comment though, nice contribution. :rolleyes: have one back.
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
Sorry that I work and contribute to society. No person in full time employment in the uk can claim they would have been better off under labour than the last conservative government. Love the comment though, nice contribution. :rolleyes: have one back.
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I work too - your comment about not being better off under Labour than the Tories does not hold water. You can't make claims based on what might have been.
 
satchef1 said:
...Labour have only won 4 general elections in those 41 years. You've backed the loser an awful lot for someone who has issue with it.
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I have supported Labour longer than that, though not as a party member. I count 7 election victories since 1963.

There is a world of difference supporting a party that you think has a chance of winning to supporting a party you're sure has no chance - hence my comment.
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
Sorry that I work and contribute to society. No person in full time employment in the uk can claim they would have been better off financially under labour than the last conservative government.
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FFY. Even then, it's dubious given how long it took the country to recover economically.

Also, the Conservatives have been terrible when it comes to workers' rights. They've curbed employment tribunals and the Trade Union Bill currently going through parliament is going to make a lot of working class people worse off.
 
Aldav said:
There's a difference between Corbyn being elected by Labour supporters in an internal election, and a Corbyn-led Labour being elected by the whole national electorate. Given that Labour lost the last election, they have to get quite a lot more votes than they did in the last one, and critically, have to do it in seats they lost in 2010 or '15. If they just shore up votes in seats they currently hold, it does absolutely nothing to put Labour in power, and gains them no extra seats. The only way they win power, are "electable" is if they can take quite a few seats in constituencies they just lost, or failed go regain.

For Labour to be electable, they have to take seats all over the place, but most notably in the South and South-East, and/or in Scotland. Good luck with Scotland. The notion that a Corbynite left wing Labour will do better than a Miliband Labour in Tory heartland South and South East seems .... optimistic.

Of course, if a week is a long time in politics, then four and a half years is an eternity. Only time will tell. It just seems unlikely.
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lol tbf i agree. I like Corbyn, but there are too many fools out there reading the Sun and the daily fail to convert the voters. It all doesn't matter anyway. Our voting system is a sham, there's more point in getting a decent voting system than any other political change. We'll get nowhere until that happens.
 
Interesting interview with Yanis Varoufakis on newsnight (around 35 minutes) about Corbyn's election, several people today have been saying that Labour are going to attempt to ally with left wing parties all over Europe in order to push for some much needed EU reforms rather than just accepting whatever Cameron decides to negotiate leading up to the referendum. I think that's probably the main reason he's here at all.
 
Faustus said:
I have supported Labour longer than that, though not as a party member. I count 7 election victories since 1963.

There is a world of difference supporting a party that you think has a chance of winning to supporting a party you're sure has no chance - hence my comment.
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I respect your decision but remain somewhat baffled as to why you couldn't see the writing on the wall with Brown and Milliband? Especially in the light that it was Gordon Brown who was blamed for Labour's lost credibility on the economy. Brown's mistake allowed George Osborne to frame the economic debate in the run up to the last election and into the current parliament by claiming that the deficit was caused by uncontrolled public spending. Miliband was left suffering from severe damage inflicted on the Labour party by his patron, Brown, who initially declined to acknowledge the depth of the recession when Darling told the Guardian in the summer of 2008 that the world was facing "arguably the worst" downturn in 60 years?
 
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PermaBanned said:
Interesting interview with Yanis Varoufakis on newsnight (around 35 minutes) about Corbyn's election, several people today have been saying that Labour are going to attempt to ally with left wing parties all over Europe in order to push for some much needed EU reforms rather than just accepting whatever Cameron decides to negotiate leading up to the referendum. I think that's probably the main reason he's here at all.
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His speech here is fascinating

 
V F said:
Imagine all that finger waving.
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I don't see anything finger-waving about quoting what she said of herself, which was where my assertion that she's a hypocrite came from. She quite openly admitted it. Her words, not mine.

Unless, of course, you mean she was finger-waving at herself. ;)
 
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