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Say what? Half of QE has been Tory!

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You misunderstand me.

Labour implemented QE, and at that time and in those circumstances, were right to do so. So, I used Labour's QE as an example to illustrate the point. Exactly the same point could have been made about Tory, or rather, coalition, continued QE, though circumstances were substantively different by then. And it was less necessary, not more.

The point was that looking at just about any substantial macroeconomic policy in simplistic terms is like looking at a cartoon of the Mona Lisa and thinking it's the real thing. The world isn't that simple. Some aspects of, for example, QE, are good, some bad. Some happen fairly quickly, in large ways, others over long periods but have smaller yet sustained impact, and yet other effects may not truly be felt for years.

Partly, of course, the fault lies largely with the media, and press. Get Krugman on Newsnight and as he starts to explain, clearly making an attempt to keep it simple, though whether for viewer's or presenter's sake is hard to tell, you can see the presenter's eyes glaze over. As they seem to have the attention span of a mayfly, and do a passable impression of having the IQ of a solid oak door, they move on after about 5 seconds of the interviewee not saying what the presenter was trying to get them to say.

I wish I had £1 for every time I've yelled "Shut The **** Up and let the bloke/woman answer the ******* question". I could afford a new car, or at least, a nice family holiday. :D
 
The leader of the opposition is always a member of the privy council so its not like he had a choice, unfortunately our system doesn't allow for free thinking. The fact MPs have to take an oath to the queen is ridiculous they work for the people not the monarchy allegedly. However with Charles's meddling democracy what we have is a royal dictatorship

He did have a choice, he could have refused it.
 
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However I think there is one thing that all parties agree on, that is investment into the supply side of the economy is a good thing. Conservatives want to invest in infrastructure, Labour want to create this national investment bank to boost infrastructure and house building.

The debate is really about whether this is funding through cutting current expenditure or funding in another way.
Well yes. But also about what is really investment, and what is just spending. This is a distinction a certain Iron Chancellor always seemed not to appreciate.

Also, given the country's financial situation, just because something is an investment doesn't mean it's automatically right to do it. A lot will depend on the anticipated return, and the opportunity cost.

I'm very wary about politicians referring to investments, because all too often, it's code for spending they want to do for other reasons, often either ideological or party political.
 
Dude, read the post i said that if MrMoonX hates it here so much maybe he should leave and find a country he is happy with because he does nothing but complain.
I'd love the UK if we had less people like you in it tbh. Do you honestly think that you have to love the Queen to be British?, complaining about things is part of our nature & many of us retain that proud & rebellious tradition. Unlike the pathetic servile dribble you hear from many.

Showing his true colours by not singing the nation anthem at the service today. :mad: It's worse than pathetic and I shudder to think what he might do in future. :(
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I'd love the UK if we had less people like you in it tbh. Do you honestly think that you have to love the Queen to be British?, complaining about things is part of our nature & many of us retain that proud & rebellious tradition. Unlike the pathetic servile dribble you hear from many.

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Did only read one post? I suggest you brush up on your reading skills, i said that even though someone might not agree with the words of the anthem the least they can do is know what all the words are.

And complaining about something and not actually doing anything to try and change what you're complaining about are wasted words.
 
I don't know the words to the national anthem, don't have a opinion one way or the other on the Royals, find royal baby coverage highly irritating on the rare occasions I let my guard down, and find the idea of being proud of a place you were born to be a bit weird.

I guess I'm some sort of threat to national security.
 
I'd love the UK if we had less people like you in it tbh. Do you honestly think that you have to love the Queen to be British?, complaining about things is part of our nature & many of us retain that proud & rebellious tradition. Unlike the pathetic servile dribble you hear from many.

Corbyn not singing the national anthem was nothing short of a complete disgrace. If his act of disrespect was not bad enough, he further offended all those at the service he attended, which was in commemoration of the brave men who fought in the Battle of Britain, and helped win the Second World War. The scruffy scummer was not even bothered to button his shirt properly. How can anyone excuse Corbyn's disrespect of WW2 veterans? No one in their right mind can.
 
Corbyn not singing the national anthem was nothing short of a complete disgrace. If his act of disrespect was not bad enough, he further offended all those at the service he attended, which was in commemoration of the brave men who fought in the Battle of Britain, and helped win the Second World War. The scruffy scummer was not even bothered to button his shirt properly. How can anyone excuse Corbyn's disrespect of WW2 veterans? No one in their right mind can.

His parents are veterans.
 
I can't read the word "disgrace" and not picture it in a Daily Mail headline. It's the go-to word of people who talk purely in hyperbole.

If you feel you can judge the amount of respect someone holds for another group based on whether they sing or not then you're weird, sorry.
 
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Corbyn not singing the national anthem was nothing short of a complete disgrace. If his act of disrespect was not bad enough, he further offended all those at the service he attended, which was in commemoration of the brave men who fought in the Battle of Britain, and helped win the Second World War. The scruffy scummer was not even bothered to button his shirt properly. How can anyone excuse Corbyn's disrespect of WW2 veterans? No one in their right mind can.

Can a man not take respect in silence?

Honestly the crap people spout because they've been told to hate a man by a few out-of-context soundbites and outright lies.

He certainly has more clout than the **** that resides in office currently, having actually lived through the after-war state of the UK.
 
I really don't know what the gutter press are trying to achieve with this fascination with Corbyn / Labour. It's just making them really easy to point at and say 'mental'.

I wonder how many brain aneurysms Richard Littejohn has had these past few days? Bearing in mind this was the paper that in January was a staunch defender of free speech, now they see themselves as the standard bearer for 'Britishness', and any contrasting views are wrong and shouldn't be heard. It's a rag that exists so that people who are hard of thinking can feel less alone.
 
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I respect your decision but remain somewhat baffled as to why you couldn't see the writing on the wall with Brown and Milliband? Especially in the light that it was Gordon Brown who was blamed for Labour's lost credibility on the economy. Brown's mistake allowed George Osborne to frame the economic debate in the run up to the last election and into the current parliament by claiming that the deficit was caused by uncontrolled public spending. Miliband was left suffering from severe damage inflicted on the Labour party by his patron, Brown, who initially declined to acknowledge the depth of the recession when Darling told the Guardian in the summer of 2008 that the world was facing "arguably the worst" downturn in 60 years?

I was no supporter of Brown and even less of Ed Milliband. My vote went to brother David. The unions made a huge mistake backing Ed Milliband and for that we are all now suffering.

I witnessed the reception Corbyn received at the TUC conference, akin to a returning war hero. My first thoughts were these people are living in another time, the world has moved on yet they haven't.

Believe me I've made my personal views known to senior figures in my particular union.
 
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