The labour Leader thread...

fs123 said:
+1.
I'd just like to see what these same Tory guys say if/when they lose their own well paid job. They seem to live in some world where everyone sits at a desk getting paid over 50K salary,etc.

The real world is not like that. All those supermarkets and coffee shops you visit have people working there that get paid the minimum wage (less than 16K per year) Those people depend on top-ups to make ends meet. Why do the rich, well off toffs think they will be on the gravy train for ever? Anyone could easily become ill or lose their job and be standing in a queue at the local job centre.

The majority of people want to work and earn a living but it's not their fault if multi-billion pound corporations don't want to pay more than the minimum wage is it?
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And these people doing the minimum wage jobs whats stopping them from educating themselves and getting a better paid job...

Why shouldn't the well off stay well off? If they or someone in their family was smart enough or got the break that they needed to get rich then good on them.
 
Bluntwrapped said:
The willingness of the UK electorate to listen and be duped by political media bias and perspective is nothing short of frightening. I feel pity for anyone living in the modern world who doesn't support progressive politics, socialism, welfare and humanity. It's sickening thinking how many are prepared to drop moral perspective and responsibility in exchange for ignorance and greed. God forbid what might happen if things are any different - there's no way this could be positive or for the greater good. Lets rely on the fear of change in people's minds to keep the status quo..

Seriously what an embarrassment the UK is.
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And it's kind of liberal BS that ruining the western world.
 
DIABLO said:
And these people doing the minimum wage jobs whats stopping them from educating themselves and getting a better paid job...

Why shouldn't the well off stay well off? If they or someone in their family was smart enough or got the break that they needed to get rich then good on them.
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Someone always has to be at the bottom. The country needs millions of service and retail workers in order to function. More education isn't the answer. Anyone in their 20's can attest to that - Gordon Brown's 50% of school leavers to university target has resulted in a degree, any degree, becoming a rather standard qualification for very mundane jobs.

The problem at the bottom is simple - wages aren't high enough. Businesses don't want to pay more, taxpayers want to cut welfare. Something has to give.
 
DIABLO said:
And these people doing the minimum wage jobs whats stopping them from educating themselves and getting a better paid job...

Why shouldn't the well off stay well off? If they or someone in their family was smart enough or got the break that they needed to get rich then good on them.
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Would the well off really become poor by helping the poorest in this country? A civilised society tends to look after the weakest and poorest. In countries where the poor are not looked after you will see that there is much more crime and fraud going on. When people can't make ends meet, many will turn to crime or end up begging in the streets.
 
fs123 said:
Would the well off really become poor by helping the poorest in this country? A civilised society tends to look after the weakest and poorest. In countries where the poor are not looked after you will see that there is much more crime and fraud going on. When people can't make ends meet, many will turn to crime or end up begging in the streets.
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The highest paid 3000 people in the UK pay more income tax then bottom 9 million according too this article if it is accurate isn't that paying their fair share?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...rners-pay-more-tax-than-bottom-9-million.html
 
[TFU] Thegoon84;28580611 said:
So many people i know have said, they'll vote for Corbyn and they haven't voted before! 17million people didn't vote (as said on QT)... Cant wait! Win or lose.
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Vote for Corbyn? Do they live in his constituency then?
 
The problem has never been the amount of taxes being collected, it's the amount of the collected money that's wazzed up the wall instead of getting where it's needed that,s the problem.
 
spudbynight said:
Not under Cameron they aren't. The current Conservative party is a right of centre (and not even very right) party. There are members of the party who might be considered right-wing, but certainly not the party as it currently stands.
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Yes, under Cameron. We have a very right wing government. I don't know how this can be controversial.
 
fs123 said:
Would the well off really become poor by helping the poorest in this country? A civilised society tends to look after the weakest and poorest. In countries where the poor are not looked after you will see that there is much more crime and fraud going on. When people can't make ends meet, many will turn to crime or end up begging in the streets.
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Can you name this civilised society please? I'll start you off with Eldorado followed by Utopia.
 
spudbynight said:
Not under Cameron they aren't. The current Conservative party is a right of centre (and not even very right) party. There are members of the party who might be considered right-wing, but certainly not the party as it currently stands.
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They are not overtly right wing. However, in my opinion if you look at their track record I think they are more right wing than Thatcher.

If you remember Thatcher stated the Queens head was not for sale i.e. the Royal Mail - not so this government. They have privatised things that Thatcher would have baulked at.
 
Going by what you've said Diablo probably the same reason you failed to educate yourself. You couldn't afford to. What kind of BS world do we live in when the only chance of opportunity in life is being financially well off? How demoralising do you think that is for everyone else who aren't born into fortunate circumstance? Those who are less fortunate financially should have an equal chance in life through support and encouragement. It's exactly that sort of person who can contribute to society more so than a rich boy who lives carefree and takes everything for granted. What is the obsession with tarring those less fortunate as the dregs of society.
 
Everyone can afford to educate themselves surely - education is free to the age of 18 and university is only paid back if and when you get job after.
 
[TW]Fox;28580989 said:
Everyone can afford to educate themselves surely - education is free to the age of 18 and university is only paid back if and when you get job after.
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That's quite a naive view on it.

There are a substantial number of people for whom education is something of a luxury. It's not necessarily about the actual cost of such, but also about the opportunity cost of staying in education. Not to mention the way benefits/tax credits for parents disappear once a child turns 18.
 
What about the time during study, people have mortgages and rent to pay. This requires a full time job. Student loans and bursaries don't cut it, the cost of living is way higher that the pittance we're expected to get by on.

If you do manage to get through Uni where is the incentive to go out and find a job at the end of the course knowing you have a small mortgage worth of tuition fees hanging over you if you do - this needs to be paid. But how exactly?
 
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You only pay back a percentage of your earnings over the threshold, so those with a high repayment burden on a monthly basis as those who earn well. If you don't earn almost twice min wage you pay back nothing.

I am not saying it isn't sometimes difficult but we do have one of the best systems of education in the world in terms of access to all.
 
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