The labour Leader thread...

Bluntwrapped said:
The willingness of the UK electorate to listen and be duped by political media bias and perspective is nothing short of frightening. I feel pity for anyone living in the modern world who doesn't support progressive politics, socialism, welfare and humanity. It's sickening thinking how many are prepared to drop moral perspective and responsibility in exchange for ignorance and greed. God forbid what might happen if things are any different - there's no way this could be positive or for the greater good. Lets rely on the fear of change in people's minds to keep the status quo..

Seriously what an embarrassment the UK is.
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Ah nothing like a bigoted socialist. Careful now, you will next be condoning the rounding up and executing of millions who disagree with your perspective.

Interestingly, there was no complaints from your lot when the media machine was churning a strong bias against Farage.

In conclusion, you're all mental.
 
[TW]Fox;28581164 said:
You only pay back a percentage of your earnings over the threshold, so those with a high repayment burden on a monthly basis as those who earn well. If you don't earn almost twice min wage you pay back nothing.

I am not saying it isn't sometimes difficult but we do have one of the best systems of education in the world in terms of access to all.
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Nobody's saying the graduate tax style system of repayment is unfair, they're saying that people have other monetary considerations. Their living situation, whether they have family that's willing or able to support them, whether they have people that are dependent on them. For many the maintenance loan doesn't even cover term time rent.
 
RoboCod said:
Ah nothing like a bigoted socialist. Careful now, you will next be condoning the rounding up and executing of millions who disagree with your perspective.

Interestingly, there was no complaints from your lot when the media machine was churning a strong bias against Farage.

In conclusion, you're all mental.
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Haha and you're seriously deluded. Aww..
 
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PermaBanned said:
Nobody's saying the graduate tax style system of repayment is unfair, they're saying that people have other monetary considerations. Their living situation, whether they have family that's willing or able to support them, whether they have people that are dependent on them. For many the maintenance loan doesn't even cover term time rent.
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Sure but this just the uni aspect - education to 18 is compulsory and with the devaluation of degrees not having one now doesn't mean you are not educated.
 
RoboCod said:
Ah nothing like a bigoted socialist. Careful now, you will next be condoning the rounding up and executing of millions who disagree with your perspective.

Interestingly, there was no complaints from your lot when the media machine was churning a strong bias against Farage.

In conclusion, you're all mental.
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There were. Problem is the UKIP groupies were too busy arguing with the 'ZOMG UKIP are racists!' morons. Sensible posts got drowned out in the process.

If the Conservatives are the party of 'me and my own', UKIP are the party of 'us and our own'. There's nothing necessarily racist about that.
 
Bluntwrapped said:
Haha and you're seriously deluded. Aww..
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Whatever you believe, you lot far left and them lot far right will always be a minority. The rest of the majority normal folk will just continue as usual. The only minor nuisance is sifting through the mountains of **** and nonsense you all spurt.
 
I'm happy with JC as labour leader even if he doesn't win in 2020 he will be a positive step for UK politics.

Having parties with differing views that you can tell apart will be a good thing for a start.

I've also enjoyed the media frenzy it's been good fun.
 
I'm not convinced that degrees have been devalued. There are degrees that are offered now that didn't exist 25 years ago, and are not seen as being as valuable as the more "core" degrees awarded, but I don't think they have dragged down other degrees.

"Degrees" is such a broad term that you can't say they have been devalued without qualifying which subjects you are talking about. Chances are the ones you identify as close to worthless never had much worth anyway.
 
There's also the matter that while a greater proportion of the population will get a degree and you could argue that that makes it harder for you to stand out when searching for jobs, all that does is put people without them at an even greater disadvantage when an employer can quite easily find a graduate candidate. In addition to the fact that degrees have much more value than simply helping in the job market, they open you to a wide range of different ideas and opinions at an important part of your development as an adult and emphasise skills related to independent learning and critical thinking.
 
PermaBanned said:
There's also the matter that while a greater proportion of the population will get a degree and you could argue that that makes it harder for you to stand out when searching for jobs, all that does is put people without them at an even greater disadvantage when an employer can quite easily find a graduate candidate. In addition to the fact that degrees have much more value than simply helping in the job market, they open you to a wide range of different ideas and opinions at an important part of your development as an adult and emphasise skills related to independent learning and critical thinking.
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Like radicalisation?
 
DIABLO said:
And these people doing the minimum wage jobs whats stopping them from educating themselves and getting a better paid job...

Why shouldn't the well off stay well off? If they or someone in their family was smart enough or got the break that they needed to get rich then good on them.
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This comment is the exactly the reason why we'll never be a progressive country!

I work as a housing office, i deal with all walks of life. Granted the largest propotion being the low paid, sick and familes... You're comment is so dumb its unreal.

Its all well and true saying "why dont these people just go out and educate themselves"... You need to do the same. The majority of the people you are talking about are in those jobs because its the best they're capable of. Some are completely unemployable... This is fact, excluding the sick some people cant work because they have become so detached from normal society no amount of coaching will change that... What are we suppose do? Pulling a Nazi on them, stop them eating, let them wonder the streets until they starve, people ignoring them.... Honestly what planet do you people live on!

The benefit system is NOTHING in the grand scheme of things, but tory fan boys on the gravy train of channel 5 hate live to constant blame everything on it, ..... All your hate Your hate is completely mis-placed!

DIABLO said:
The highest paid 3000 people in the UK pay more income tax then bottom 9 million according too this article if it is accurate isn't that paying their fair share?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...rners-pay-more-tax-than-bottom-9-million.html
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AND THIS BLOODY COMMENT!

Ok yes, the highest earns pay the largest proportion of tax.... HOWEVER, if you or i were caught tax dodging we'd go to jail.... These guys get let off and the government are too scared to do anything incase they pull their minimum wage dont even make the tax bracket jobs.... Not to mention haivng so much money they can pay people to move money around to avoid paying THEIR FAIR SHARE OF TAX!!!

Thats all we want, a FAIR and JUST economy! If these people paid 20% of what they should or rather what you and I pay relatively then there'd be no NHS crisis, there'd be no issue around benefit, jobs would be there, growth would be there... We'd then likely move to a low tax, low welfare state as people WOULD benefit from working! Its that simple!

There's a reason the rich have got richer and the poorer poorer..... Nobody is out to get the rich people, good for them, they risked everything and earnt it... But that should give them the right to not pay what we pay!

ITS AN ABSOLUTE JOKE, you people actively seek to protect these people.... I'd rather see a government that puts the mass before the few!
 
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Let me get this right, The highest paid 3000 people in the UK pay more income tax than the bottom 9 million, yet some lunatic will still turn up and bang on about tax evasion. ROFL.

Tell me, do each and every one of them illegally avoid tax? I think some citation is needed.
 
That statistic means nothing though.

A lot of people at the lower end pay no income tax. Unlikely to be 9m though.

So even if the top 3000 paid £1 in tax they have paid more.

Then there is NI with a lower threshold costing 12% whilst it is only 2% over the higher limit. Also VAT affects people that spend their money.

Picking income tax is misleading and comparing them with people that pay little to no tax is misleading. They should be compared against middle income individuals.
 
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The Tory brown nosers should ask themselves 'how did the top 3000 make their fortunes?' The money didn't come out of thin air. People like you and me work for these mega rich earners and get paid peanuts while they syphon off the bulk of the profits for themselves.

Collectively the money is earned but the guys at the top take 90% of the profit while the rest of the actual people who helped them earn it get a tiny wage in comparison. A fairer system would give a greater share to the workers.
 
RoboCod said:
Let me get this right, The highest paid 3000 people in the UK pay more income tax than the bottom 9 million, yet some lunatic will still turn up and bang on about tax evasion. ROFL.

Tell me, do each and every one of them illegally avoid tax? I think some citation is needed.
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Are you actually saying that its ok if they pay a little less tax because they pay so much into it?
 
[TFU] Thegoon84;28581874 said:
Are you actually saying that its ok if they pay a little less tax because they pay so much into it?
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No. Are you actually saying that every rich person is illegally evading tax and they are to blame for everything? I think you are aren't you?
 
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