Alex Salmond: A second Scottish referendum is inevitible

[lovelyhead]

Except it would not, since Scotland is not a member of the EU in its own right and if independent would have to re-apply as a new member. So either way, iScotland would be out of the EU, at least for a period.

What's that got to do with the price of tea in China? I was answering a post saying we would be somehow stopping England from leaving or staying in the EU which is simply untrue.

Let's hold the phone.... why exactly is anyone flying the flag of our country a bigot?

There may well be a lot of warped opinion on this thread. Yours may well be the most warped.

I think they were referring to this sort of thing:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=28583558&postcount=1055

 

[Five.Stars]

I think they were referring to this sort of thing:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=28583558&postcount=1055

Again, how are those photographed bigots? Because they are doing what LOOKS like a Nazi salute? You know full well this is a pro Ulster salute to symobolise the red hand - again, doing this does not make anyone a bigot.

And I say that as someone who dislikes the red hand salute personally.

 

[Five.Stars]

What's that got to do with the price of tea in China? I was answering a post saying we would be somehow stopping England from leaving or staying in the EU which is simply untrue.

Well Scotland isn't a member of the EU in its own right and as such has to accept the democratic will of the majority of the member state (UK) in an EU in/out referendum.

Although we both know full well how good the nationalists are at accepting the democratic will of the majority.

 

[lovelyhead]

Again, how are those photographed bigots? Because they are doing what LOOKS like a Nazi salute? You know full well this is a pro Ulster salute to symobolise the red hand - again, doing this does not make anyone a bigot.

And I say that as someone who dislikes the red hand salute personally.

Wow just wow.

 

[Five.Stars]

Wow just wow.

Outstanding contribution!

 

[lovelyhead]

Well Scotland isn't a member of the EU in its own right and as such has to accept the democratic will of the majority of the member state (UK) in an EU in/out referendum.

Although we both know full well how good the nationalists are at accepting the democratic will of the majority.

Hypothetical situation. 100% of the people of Scotland vote to stay in the EU. 100% of the population of England vote to leave the EU. In your view that would just be Scotland's tough luck and it would be forced out of the EU against it's will.

Outstanding contribution!

Whether they call it a “Red Hand salute” or whatever makes absolutely no difference – this is one of the most offensive gestures they could make in the modern world.

 

[Five.Stars]

Hypothetical situation. 100% of the people of Scotland vote to stay in the EU. 100% of the population of England vote to leave the EU. In your view that would just be Scotland's tough luck and it would be forced out of the EU against it's will.

What part of Scotland IS NOT a member state do you not comprehend exactly?

 

[Above&Beyond]

Whether they call it a “Red Hand salute” or whatever makes absolutely no difference – this is one of the most offensive gestures they could make in the modern world.

The ignorant being offended matters very little. Try educating yourself first on history and culture and then you won't need to get offended so easily because you'll be able to understand the usage and context of gestures and symbols.

 

[Above&Beyond]

Hypothetical situation. 100% of the people of Scotland vote to stay in the EU. 100% of the population of England vote to leave the EU. In your view that would just be Scotland's tough luck and it would be forced out of the EU against it's will.

So you like democracy only when it gets you the result you wanted?

 

[jsmoke]

Wow just wow.

Agree with that. This guy is either drunk or in total denial, maybe both.

 

[Five.Stars]

Agree with that. This guy is either drunk or in total denial, maybe both.

I am neither drunk nor in denial.

 

[lovelyhead]

I am neither drunk nor in denial.

You are brushing off unionists doing Nazi salutes as if it is nothing.

 

[Five.Stars]

You are brushing off unionists doing Nazi salutes as if it is nothing.

No, I am saying that they are not Nazi salutes, which you fine well know.

 

[Aldav]

You seem to be missing the point completely. Scotland wouldn't be stopping anyone from leaving or staying. If the EU vote ends up being England voting to leave and Scotland to stay, that would be grounds to hold another independence referendum. That would then give Scots the choice of either stay in the Union but leave the EU or stay in the EU but leave the union.

This would in no way stop England from leaving or staying in the EU.

I agree with that, but SNP leaders have repeatedly said that the "UK" should only leave the EU if the "nations" all agreed. Note - all.

The implication is that if one nation, for example, Scotland, did not want to leave, as evidenced by how the voters of Scotland voted in a referendum, then that should veto the votes of the rest.

Where I do agree with the SNP is that if the constitutional settlement was to fundamentally change, and it would if the UK left the EU, then Scots should be given another chance to stay in the UK, or seek their future outside it, whether it turns out for better or worse.

I also agree that staying in or leaving is for the Scottish people to decide. Though, not once a year.

It's exactly the same reason the people of the UK, as a whole, should determine whether the UK stays in the EU or not.

 

[Macro]

Hypothetical situation. 100% of the people of Scotland vote to stay in the EU. 100% of the population of England vote to leave the EU. In your view that would just be Scotland's tough luck and it would be forced out of the EU against it's will.

What happened to Wales and Northern Ireland - you seem to consistantly forget two entire countries and dismiss them as irrelevant in your slightly embarrassing xenophobic attempt to try to drum up dislike for England in Scotland wrapped up as talk about the UK?

 

[lovelyhead]

What happened to Wales and Northern Ireland - you seem to consistantly forget two entire countries and dismiss them as irrelevant in your slightly embarrassing xenophobic attempt to try to drum up hatred for England in Scotland wrapped up as talk about the UK?

Just as well we're not all bigots eh wee man?

Wales and Northern Ireland are in the same boat as us Scots. They do as they are told by the English.

No, I am saying that they are not Nazi salutes, which you fine well know.

A nazi salute.



Definitley not a nazi salute:



A nazi salute:



Most definitely 100% not a nazi salute:

 

[Macro]

Wales and Northern Ireland are in the same boat as us Scots. They do as they are told by the English.

So less pro independence and more dislike of the English... At least have the courage of your convictions and come out with it instead of just whining. Even the First Minister has said recently the majority of Scots have serious reservations about leaving the UK and the SNP will have to win the electorate over and prove the case.

If your sole strategy is to paint Scots, Irish and Welsh voters as some kind of weak willed victims of England the UK is in pretty good shape, we're pretty good at spotting the worst type of nationalist xenophobia.

Poor attempt - 2 out of 10, please try harder.

 

[Macro]

Most definitely 100% not a nazi salute:

Godwins law strikes - Unionist are all closet English Nazis...

 

[lovelyhead]

Hope over fear rally today:



Union day yesterday:




Both photos taken in the same place! Glasgow council actually refused permission for the Hope Over Fear Rally!

WE ARE NEVER GOING AWAY!!!

 

[Tefal]

****ing nazis!