The labour Leader thread...
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depends on the factory you work in tbh foxeye, if we can get more high end engineering going (not these idiots who keep saying we should bring back tat manufacturing from china) the fabrication/fitting jobs in these areas pays quite handsomely for the work involved, round here the typical family man job is to be at airbus and its a good job, its factory work but skilled (and unskilled for a bit less money but always the opportunity to get your skilled certifications) and it pays well because its a good product that requires integrity to build.
you're talking generally they have a nice house, a decent car and the family has at least 1 or 2 holidays a year.
we need more factories like this tbh, wonder if we could expand the arms trade a bit and get more going in that sector i know we used to be the country the wiring looms for exocet missiles used to be made in even though they were put together in France
right ok but im assuming you do this, you do everything perfectly and it works 100% EVERYONE is reaching the absolute peak of their abilities.
you still need the road sweepers, the cleaners etc.
so you still have the exact same divide....
I'm glad you only have one vote.
Yeah, asking for information on how something can be done and not just accepting vague pronouncements makes for terrible voting habits. I should be more like you and vote for anyone with the right sound bites!
I understand what you are saying but can you not see my point?
Oh, dear God no, anything but that. Haven't we got enough of the ....hang on, need to check swearing rules ...
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Next you'll be suggesting ..... politicians. 'xcuse me, I need to go hurl.
i can see your idea that "raising the bottom up" sounds lovely but its practically impossible, if you want to reduce the divide you have to cut the top.
Or hold the top static and raise the bottom.
that's what we've just been talking about though how can you raise people out of the essential bottom jobs such as bog cleaners and check out staff?
they're jobs that need doing and arnt going away.
you raise everyone up to their potential maximum, those jobs still need doing but who do you get to do them now?
I don't think increasing their wages will fix anything either, since if the poorest get a raise, everybody in business will take the opportunity to increase prices, knowing everyone can now afford it.
A large problem the poorest have is accommodation. Rents are uncapped. Due to housing shortages, rents can be upwards of 50% of your income. Case in point where I live. People down here on 12k wages pre-tax, paying rents of £6k for a single room with a microwave and sink.
You increase the min wage, what do you think will happen with uncapped rents? They go up.
And that means more tax revenue paid directly to landlords, to help people afford a place to live in.
A large problem the poorest have is accommodation. Rents are uncapped. Due to housing shortages, rents can be upwards of 50% of your income. Case in point where I live. People down here on 12k wages pre-tax, paying rents of £6k for a single room with a microwave and sink.
You increase the min wage, what do you think will happen with uncapped rents? They go up.
And that means more tax revenue paid directly to landlords, to help people afford a place to live in.
well im hoping that the other parties see how popular such a suggestion is from such an unpopular candidate and rob it for themselves so it gets done tbh
The rail system in its current privatised form is funded from ticket sales and government grant. This money both delivers the service and some private profit. In a nationalised system services will also be funded by ticket sales and the government, just without the overhead of also delivering private profit.
do you not need to buy back all the shares from the companies you're going to destroy though?
which needs a huge sum of money up front
cause pension firms are probably quite heavily invested in them.
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TOCs don't own anything, so you just don't renew the contracts when they expire (which is Labours current plan).
If you wanted to nationalise the ROSCOs (train owners) then your need to compensate them, but you could undervalue them like Royal Mail. Pension funds don't typically invest in industries at risk of being nationalised anyway.
The infrastructure operator (Network Rail) is already nationalised.
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No. The firms operate the train companies as a franchise, so to nationalise it you simply don't relet the franchise when it expires. No buy out required.
Exactly what happened with East Coast.
If a TOC goes out of business because their franchise didn't get renewed then that sucks to be them I guess. It's exactly what can happen to any other TOC that loses the bid.
Network Rail own the track, signalling etc. I think they also set timetables after being told what to do by the DfT. ROSCOs own the trains, the TOCs lease them. The idea was that multiple ROSCOs would create a competitive market for TOCs to be able to choose who they went to for trains. This never happened because it's not possible to just move trains around the network and use them somewhere else.
Network Rail own the track, signalling etc. I think they also set timetables after being told what to do by the DfT. ROSCOs own the trains, the TOCs lease them. The idea was that multiple ROSCOs would create a competitive market for TOCs to be able to choose who they went to for trains. This never happened because it's not possible to just move trains around the network and use them somewhere else.
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