Eizo Foris FS2735 - 27", IPS, 1440p, 144hz, Blur Reduction, Freesync

Doogles · 14 Aug 2015 at 20:38

Didn't buy the MG279Q because of quality control. Asus were onto a winner expecally with the price but all the backlight bleed issues stopped me considering my 60hz 1440p is excellent. Time for them to start looking into UHD 144hz panels

wunkley · 14 Aug 2015 at 22:13

Slight tangent, but The eizo foris 2421 was a total debacle. Somehow eizo seem to have a reputation for quality but from my own experience and many others of that model, it's not like that at all. I would hope that particular model was an odd blip, but it's tarnished their image for me.

TerminatorUK · 14 Aug 2015 at 22:27

wunkley said:
Slight tangent, but The eizo foris 2421 was a total debacle. Somehow eizo seem to have a reputation for quality but from my own experience and many others of that model, it's not like that at all. I would hope that particular model was an odd blip, but it's tarnished their image for me.

I agree, I had this monitor for about a year and I found the colour accuracy was lacking - it was difficult to calibrate to my satisfaction.

I also found the gamma uniformity, viewing angles and input lag to be quite poor overall.

The 120hz and Turbo240 mode was very good in terms of motion clarity but it did have some crosstalk in the corners that detracted from the benefit it afforded.

Rofflay · 15 Aug 2015 at 20:18

TerminatorUK said:
I agree, I had this monitor for about a year and I found the colour accuracy was lacking - it was difficult to calibrate to my satisfaction.

I also found the gamma uniformity, viewing angles and input lag to be quite poor overall.

The 120hz and Turbo240 mode was very good in terms of motion clarity but it did have some crosstalk in the corners that detracted from the benefit it afforded.

I have had mine for around 6 months now and i got a perfect panel bar one dead pixel you only see on a black background. The motion clarity of 240hz is unbeatable and you have 120 frames per second of such clarity. Then you take into account that VA spanks every IPS on the market on actual image quality and only has minor problems with colors.

They all manage at most 1000:1 where as this VA has 5000:1. To be honest the only thing bad about the panel is the viewing angles. I would say 1080p too but on a 24" it aint that bad and you can always run the panel at 4K like me with DSR. Oh and did i say it is glossy too? :cool:

TerminatorUK · 28 Sep 2015 at 22:00

Apologies to necro my own thread but there are two very interesting Japanese news sites posting more information on this monitor (Google Translate required!):

http://m.game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20150918_721818.html

http://www.itmedia.co.jp/pcuser/spv/1509/19/news023.html

The former link has a snippet which is particularly interesting to me in my persuit of finding the perfect 24" monitor:

"Though it is 27 inches, 144Hz drive, response speed we have and aim the same level and 24 inches while unpublished."

...now unless something is lost in translation, are they intending on making a 144hz, 24", Freesync, IPS monitor of either 1080p or 1440p (just not announced yet)?

Doogles · 29 Sep 2015 at 05:12

If this is IPS with 144hz/1440p with Freesync/G-Sync with a range of 30-144hz I will buy this if the QC is decent, I was considering getting the Acer for £540 but the issues with QC put me off too much and it's ugly as hell. With new cards coming soon if it is Freesync I stick with R9 290 if not I upgrade to Nvidia.

Baddass · 29 Sep 2015 at 07:07

I hate to burst everyone's bubble but Eizo have told me that as it stands at the moment they are not planning to Launch this model in the UK. I've asked them to reconsider and requested a review sample which is expected over the coming months. It will be available to order via Europe I believe unless Eizo change their stance on UK supply

Global_Inferno · 29 Sep 2015 at 09:11

Owch. Well that blow hurt like a kick to the groin.

If that's true Baddass, that's really bad news for all of us. I wonder if there is anything else coming soon that might take it's place?

Baddass · 29 Sep 2015 at 09:34

Global_Inferno said:
Owch. Well that blow hurt like a kick to the groin.

If that's true Baddass, that's really bad news for all of us. I wonder if there is anything else coming soon that might take it's place?

thats what Eizo have told me. I have spoken directly to the Foris product manager and at the moment there aren't plans to release directly in UK. However, it will be available from some big stores online who ship from Europe so it will still be available. I should still get hold of a review sample, but apparently that's not expected until Dec time so i doubt we will see retail stock until the new year

xchaotic · 29 Sep 2015 at 11:45

For what it's worth, I am using http://gaming.eizo.com/products/foris_fs2434/ and I am extremely happy with it - low input lag, IPS (great colour), good pixel response time for IPS.
I'd buy bigger IPS GSync one from them in a heartbeat, but they are are taking their time...

TerminatorUK · 29 Sep 2015 at 20:21

Baddass said:
I hate to burst everyone's bubble but Eizo have told me that as it stands at the moment they are not planning to Launch this model in the UK. I've asked them to reconsider and requested a review sample which is expected over the coming months. It will be available to order via Europe I believe unless Eizo change their stance on UK supply

Ouch - a major blow indeed; very disappointing indeed.

That's not to say that UK distributors won't import and te-sell them but that's going to impact the price for the worse.

Falkentyne · 30 Sep 2015 at 00:48

Badass, pcm2, simon (tftcentral), or anyone who can get a sample of this thing:

Do you guys (or does anyone) know the full range of blur reduction on this thing?

namely:
does it do single strobing or double strobing? the previous motion 240 monitors strobed TWICE per refresh, while the benq monitors strobed ONCE per refresh.

Can it strobe at 100hz or down to 60hz? And if so, can it single strobe down here? The previous FS2421 Foris would only strobe in the 105hz-120hz range (tested by Chief Blur Buster of the blurbusters' site).

Sorry for being so naggy but the XL2730Z completely tilted me. I wanted to upgrade from my XL2720Z but the broken strobing is useless for me (I play games that require 91hz single strobe, 100hz single strobe, 60hz (street fighter, dark souls, etc). And the XL2730Z won't strobe under 120hz and Benq claimed they couldn't fix this with a Fw update (all it is is a simple SYNC bug. I can make even the XL2720Z, which can Single strobe at 60h-144hz) mess up by using the exact vertical total designed for a different refresh rate. But the XL2730Z does not respond to vertical totals anymore, while all of the other Z monitors did).

Baddass · 30 Sep 2015 at 09:59

no idea yet i'm afraid. someone will need to test it. As soon as i have a sample (expected Dec time) i will get a review done at TFTCentral and we will see

Straz · 30 Sep 2015 at 10:50

If only they could develop a 24" 144hz IPS 1080p panel.

Global_Inferno · 30 Sep 2015 at 15:04

Nobody wants 1080P anymore, well... hardly anyone! 1440P is just enough of an increase to make viewing much more pleasureable and yet, not *that* much harder to drive in terms of GFX.

Rofflay · 1 Oct 2015 at 01:09

Falkentyne said:
Badass, pcm2, simon (tftcentral), or anyone who can get a sample of this thing:

Do you guys (or does anyone) know the full range of blur reduction on this thing?

namely:
does it do single strobing or double strobing? the previous motion 240 monitors strobed TWICE per refresh, while the benq monitors strobed ONCE per refresh.

Can it strobe at 100hz or down to 60hz? And if so, can it single strobe down here? The previous FS2421 Foris would only strobe in the 105hz-120hz range (tested by Chief Blur Buster of the blurbusters' site).

Sorry for being so naggy but the XL2730Z completely tilted me. I wanted to upgrade from my XL2720Z but the broken strobing is useless for me (I play games that require 91hz single strobe, 100hz single strobe, 60hz (street fighter, dark souls, etc). And the XL2730Z won't strobe under 120hz and Benq claimed they couldn't fix this with a Fw update (all it is is a simple SYNC bug. I can make even the XL2720Z, which can Single strobe at 60h-144hz) mess up by using the exact vertical total designed for a different refresh rate. But the XL2730Z does not respond to vertical totals anymore, while all of the other Z monitors did).

Hmm must try this on my FG2421, I played Sonic at 60hz on it and noticed nothing, If the strobing aint working boy would you know it because the blur is quite bad. Shame it aint coming to the UK thier strobing is the best around and frankly is stopping me buying ANY other monitor without it. Im just sitting with DSR with a 4K 240hz 120hz panel and watching all these new monitors one by one get knocked off my potential lists.

Nasher · 1 Oct 2015 at 08:39

Straz said:
If only they could develop a 24" 144hz IPS 1080p panel.

Yea it would be nice :/

On 1440 playing Witcher 3, it was a massive performance hit over 1080. I also found 27" to big for desktop gaming.

Rofflay · 4 Oct 2015 at 22:05

Baddass said:
thats what Eizo have told me. I have spoken directly to the Foris product manager and at the moment there aren't plans to release directly in UK. However, it will be available from some big stores online who ship from Europe so it will still be available. I should still get hold of a review sample, but apparently that's not expected until Dec time so i doubt we will see retail stock until the new year

Would love that email addy

Do you think you could ask them why Freesync over G-Sync? Eizo is a premium brand and this monitor will not be cheap. And the more and more i think about thier backlight blinking the more and more this monitor peaks my interest due to no one else having the ability to combine backlight blinking and Freesync or G-Sync..

I am thinking this monitor + Artic Islands could be a real monster if the blinking is one true frame of black? That would be 144 frames and 144 black frames 288 total. FG2421 does this for 240 at 120. Maybe they think 288hz does not roll of the tongue like 240hz? Maybe asking for 288hz and 30-144 Freesync range is asking too much from IPS.

Falkentyne · 4 Oct 2015 at 23:50

Nowhere did I read that you can combine backlight strobing and freesync.
Where did they say you can do this? I didn't see anything that said they COMBINED it together to be activated at once....

This could be very possible but this would not work well if using single strobing. Chief blur buster wrote an article about combing strobing and variable refresh rates, but if you drop below 72hz, you start getting flicker that is noticeable by anyone (the first "flicker free VGA monitors were 72hz, btw) and once you get down to 50hz, the flickering can make people sick. (you can make the benq blur reduction 1.0 monitors single strobe at 50hz by using a 1360 vertical total via custom resolution; otherwise the backlight will get overvolted, strobing won't activate at 50hz and the monitor may overvoltage power cycle itself).

If this is double strobing, it could work at 50hz (the Benq monitors can officially double strobe at 50hz, even the V1 firmware for the original Z series before strobe adjustments were available) but double strobing lower than 85hz is ugly. very ugly.

Rofflay · 5 Oct 2015 at 01:03

Falkentyne said:
Nowhere did I read that you can combine backlight strobing and freesync.
Where did they say you can do this? I didn't see anything that said they COMBINED it together to be activated at once....

This could be very possible but this would not work well if using single strobing. Chief blur buster wrote an article about combing strobing and variable refresh rates, but if you drop below 72hz, you start getting flicker that is noticeable by anyone (the first "flicker free VGA monitors were 72hz, btw) and once you get down to 50hz, the flickering can make people sick. (you can make the benq blur reduction 1.0 monitors single strobe at 50hz by using a 1360 vertical total via custom resolution; otherwise the backlight will get overvolted, strobing won't activate at 50hz and the monitor may overvoltage power cycle itself).

If this is double strobing, it could work at 50hz (the Benq monitors can officially double strobe at 50hz, even the V1 firmware for the original Z series before strobe adjustments were available) but double strobing lower than 85hz is ugly. very ugly.

Probably the same 1 black frame as FG2421 people say it too has a "range" but i personally never go below 100fps so i never notice. So if you go below thier range you would have to toggle it off. No big deal i guess you still have freesync but it this is not G-Sync where ULMB or Sync has to be chosen. This is the whole point of Eizo turbo mode.

It would be a dream to have both working in the 100-144 range which is likely. I do not think anyone should be going below those ranges to be honest very few games now are locked to around 75 or 60 fps. Personally i would try to never go below 144 by lowering my settings or getting a second card, And enjoying Freesync and Turbo mode for no blur, Thats the deal i am expecting here i care not for the lower ranges or either Freesync or Turbo mode flicker.