Eizo Foris FS2735 - 27", IPS, 1440p, 144hz, Blur Reduction, Freesync

Global_Inferno said:
Nobody wants 1080P anymore, well... hardly anyone! 1440P is just enough of an increase to make viewing much more pleasureable and yet, not *that* much harder to drive in terms of GFX.
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Well the stats for steam users begs to differ. I bet most FPS players use 23/24" monitors.

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Global_Inferno said:
Nobody wants 1080P anymore, well... hardly anyone! 1440P is just enough of an increase to make viewing much more pleasureable and yet, not *that* much harder to drive in terms of GFX.
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As the Steam stats illustrate above, that's just not the case. Well, you could argue no one WANTS 1080p I suppose, but it doesn't change the fact that the VAST majority of gamers are still gaming at that resolution. I'm not in that camp myself as I have been at 1440p for over a year now, and I agree it's not that much harder to drive, but I am under no illusion that I'm in the minority.
 
I'm on 1080p because there is only 1 (I think) 1440p that isn't 27".

24" is the perfect size for my setup and I don't really want a larger monitor either. I like sitting close when playing fps games. I'd happily take a 24" 144hz ips 1440p.
 
Armadillo said:
I'm on 1080p because there is only 1 (I think) 1440p that isn't 27".

24" is the perfect size for my setup and I don't really want a larger monitor either. I like sitting close when playing fps games. I'd happily take a 24" 144hz ips 1440p.
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There are several 23.8" and 25" WQHD models; Dell P2416D, ASUS VX24AH, BenQ BL2420PT, Dell U2515H, ASUS PB258Q and last but definitely not least the AOC Q2577PWQ to name but a few. There will even be a 'wide gamut' 25" option from Dell in the coming months. It certainly seems to be an emerging market, perhaps not surprising given that the panels are relatively new.
 
Rofflay said:
Would love that email addy :)

Do you think you could ask them why Freesync over G-Sync? Eizo is a premium brand and this monitor will not be cheap. And the more and more i think about thier backlight blinking the more and more this monitor peaks my interest due to no one else having the ability to combine backlight blinking and Freesync or G-Sync..

I am thinking this monitor + Artic Islands could be a real monster if the blinking is one true frame of black? That would be 144 frames and 144 black frames 288 total. FG2421 does this for 240 at 120. Maybe they think 288hz does not roll of the tongue like 240hz? Maybe asking for 288hz and 30-144 Freesync range is asking too much from IPS.
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as far as i'm aware you won't be able to use the blur reduction strobed backlight at the same time as G-sync. it will be one or the other as with all current monitors. It's very tricky to make the two work together given the varying refresh rate, and the need for the strobe to be in sync with the refresh rate.
 
Read badass' article on backlight strobing to see just how difficult it is to strobe with a variable refresh rate.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/motion_blur.htm

If the strobe EVER is out of sync with the refresh rate (e.g. a partial strobe per every refresh instead of a complete strobe) you get a massively stuttering image. This is exactly what happens on the Benq XL2730Z if you try to strobe at a refresh rate lower than 120hz.

If you are doing TWO strobes per refresh, but at least being in sync, that's called double strobing. The Eizo Foris 2421 double strobes at 120hz (strobes twice per refresh), thus the name Turbo 240. The Benq XL2730Z strobes twice per refresh at 60hz (since it's still doing 120hz strobes). the older XL2720Z and XL2420Z, etc, would strobe twice per refresh under 100hz refresh rate, if single strobe were set to off.

And this is at fixed refresh rates. You can see what would happen if you throw in a variable refresh rate that can change every frame! And we haven't even talked about the "Strobe crosstalk" issue yet!

In order to even begin to think of such a possibility, you would FIRST need a monitor that can strobe at EVERY refresh rate in the freesync range. Even the Benq 1080p monitors that could single strobe at 60-144hz couldn't do that....
 
I would argue exactly that...

I could go onto the Steam stats analyse them and draw from them that everyone wants to run Windows 7, wants to have 8GB of RAM or better yet, wants to have an Intel HD Graphics 4000.

Seriously? I don't think so. Put a poll out now for what people WANT to have in a monitor and I think you'll find 1440P and super-widescreens probably both beat 1080P.
 
PCM2 said:
There are several 23.8" and 25" WQHD models; Dell P2416D, ASUS VX24AH, BenQ BL2420PT, Dell U2515H, ASUS PB258Q and last but definitely not least the AOC Q2577PWQ to name but a few. There will even be a 'wide gamut' 25" option from Dell in the coming months. It certainly seems to be an emerging market, perhaps not surprising given that the panels are relatively new.
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Oh, I didn't realise there were that many. I thought it was only the dell. Hopefully it keeps expanding then and a 1440p/120hz/strobing ips appears at some point at that size/res.
 
Baddass said:
as far as i'm aware you won't be able to use the blur reduction strobed backlight at the same time as G-sync. it will be one or the other as with all current monitors. It's very tricky to make the two work together given the varying refresh rate, and the need for the strobe to be in sync with the refresh rate.
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Given Eizo i would have expected they put in the time to do that though. If that happens it will be a normal IPS with freesync and 1440p i see nothing special here in that case. Indeed i would much rather look to 21:9 G-Sync in this scenario.

That or keep my FG2421 with double strobing without G-Sync. I tend to stay fps capped anyways by lowering settings.
 
Yeah having FPS capped and maintaining FPS=refresh rate at all times, with backlight strobing enabled, is gaming heaven. The fact that (basically due to a "bug" or "quirk" in the Realtek scaler) that you can strobe at 60-144hz refresh rates on my XL2720Z is why I'm still using that.
 
Falkentyne said:
Yeah having FPS capped and maintaining FPS=refresh rate at all times, with backlight strobing enabled, is gaming heaven. The fact that (basically due to a "bug" or "quirk" in the Realtek scaler) that you can strobe at 60-144hz refresh rates on my XL2720Z is why I'm still using that.
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Would there be any benefit at all for me in say CS/TF2? Because i will stay glued to 120.00 if i can on double strobe FG2421. I rarely play any games that i cannot cap i simply wait i think this is the only time i might miss Freesync or G-Sync?


I do not think i would bite otherwise simply for 24fps more with double strobe. 120 is very very nice already.
 
Just try it and see how it is.
It should still look -miles- better than having Turbo 240 "off".

The highest refresh rate I can "officially" get my Benq to double strobe at is 85hz, as this is the last refresh rate (below 100hz) that the EDID identifies as a valid refresh rate. It looks fine in games (better than not having blur reduction at all, for sure) but on the windows desktop, it makes me feel like I have four eyes instead of 2...

I can "technically" make my XL2720Z double strobe at 100hz, but it's very bizarre and can only be done by confusing the scaler into thinking it's running at a different refresh rate, and it looks literally like it's *TRIPLE* strobing (looks worse than 60hz double strobed) unless I raise the strobe phase to 043 an there's a big strobe crosstalk field just under the top of the screen so I couldn't test it anymore for you. At strobe phase 044, it kicks back into single strobing. (the OSD says the refresh rate is 144hz, don't ask how I managed that. it's the mstar scaling wizardry at work). The strobe duty (persistence) setting doesn't seem to do anything when I make the monitor run like this...the backlight gets brighter or dimmer, but the strobe is just as blurry as before instead of becoming crystal clear or very blurry.

I tried to get 120hz to double strobe but that's impossible. Maybe I'll try again but it the most I could do was make the strobe look "Out of sync' with the refresh rate, causing everything to look blurry.
 
Rofflay said:
Given Eizo i would have expected they put in the time to do that though. If that happens it will be a normal IPS with freesync and 1440p i see nothing special here in that case. Indeed i would much rather look to 21:9 G-Sync in this scenario.

That or keep my FG2421 with double strobing without G-Sync. I tend to stay fps capped anyways by lowering settings.
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I bet it won't. It is still a very interesting monitor as it will be the first with an IPS panel, Freesync and a blur reduction mode. So far only the Gsync IPS models have had that feature. Plus all the other non gaming features Eizo are promoting in the press release
 
The same screen as the rest of them (Asus,Acer).
Price on that is silly,is not G-Sync monitor! Asus MG279Q cost around 600 EUR,so you could buy two of them:(
 
Because it has blur reduction and far more display and scaling features.

Found out it can strobe at all refresh rates, including 60 hz.
Don't know whether that's a double or single strobe.
Someone will need to do Crosstalk tests (because 144hz should have much more crosstalk than 90 hz).
Freesync can not be used at the same time as blur reduction.
 
I've been contacted by Eizo Japan who are going to send me a sample for review ahead of any official release. at one point it was not going to be released at all in the UK but thanks to user demand it will be now. don't think stock is expected until early next year, probably Feb time i'm guessing, but i should have a review of it before then :)
 
Baddass said:
I've been contacted by Eizo Japan who are going to send me a sample for review ahead of any official release. at one point it was not going to be released at all in the UK but thanks to user demand it will be now. don't think stock is expected until early next year, probably Feb time i'm guessing, but i should have a review of it before then :)
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Nice!
If you have time in your review, since I want to purchase this monitor, can you do a few extra tests for me?

Can you test "Strobe crosstalk" with this full screen test at different refresh rates when using blur reduction?

http://www.testufo.com/#test=photo&photo=alien-invasion.png&pps=1200&pursuit=0&height=-1

Also (if you have time), can you see if the blur reduction works at all refresh rates in sync (like 90 hz) or even try some custom refresh rates via edid overrides (ToastyX CRU) like 85hz, 80hz and 110hz?

This is very important to me. Thank you! :)
 
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