The OcUK Relationship Counselling and Hugs Thread

So since our Separation my soon to be ex wife has been playing with my head and totally confusing me.

I discussed options for me when I moved out and maybe being able to do a joint tenancy with my buddy in March on a 3 bed. She seemed to think that "this was it and we are over". so I asked her what she wanted.

So in a nutshell, she wants to see how we are apart, but wants me to wait she even suggesting asking her when me and my buddy are about to move in if we still want to be together. talk about having her cake and eating it.

Let me get this straight she wants me to sit and wait for her to make a decision to reconcile which may or may not happen, and to ask her in March to me that's like dangling a carrot and giving me false hope.

I asked her about the letter she wrote on Friday and she can't remember what she had written, and she believes that her parents not being happy "because I didn't say thank you or offer them drinks" are not trivial things and big issues.

The more I think about it the more I want to cut all ties with her and be there just for the kids, I can't be dealing with someone who doesn't know whether they want to be with their partner and expect them to sit and wait, then at the end of it say "nah don't want to reconcile".

Who agrees that I should do the 180, NC and just contact for kids and emergencies?
 
I'd cut ties, she doesn't want to be with you but sounds like she doesn't want you to be with anyone else, so she's playing games. That's my take on it anyway.
 
Who agrees that I should do the 180, NC and just contact for kids and emergencies?

I'd never agree to suggesting that because I don't know you personally :p I agree with your reflecting on the events that have happened and what you feel/think about them.

This may sound silly but maybe get a piece of paper and write down everything you like about her and everything you dislike about her and then you'll maybe gain some perspective, be as honest as you can be but make sure you shred it when you're done.
 
So since our Separation my soon to be ex wife has been playing with my head and totally confusing me.

I discussed options for me when I moved out and maybe being able to do a joint tenancy with my buddy in March on a 3 bed. She seemed to think that "this was it and we are over". so I asked her what she wanted.

So in a nutshell, she wants to see how we are apart, but wants me to wait she even suggesting asking her when me and my buddy are about to move in if we still want to be together. talk about having her cake and eating it.

Let me get this straight she wants me to sit and wait for her to make a decision to reconcile which may or may not happen, and to ask her in March to me that's like dangling a carrot and giving me false hope.

I asked her about the letter she wrote on Friday and she can't remember what she had written, and she believes that her parents not being happy "because I didn't say thank you or offer them drinks" are not trivial things and big issues.

The more I think about it the more I want to cut all ties with her and be there just for the kids, I can't be dealing with someone who doesn't know whether they want to be with their partner and expect them to sit and wait, then at the end of it say "nah don't want to reconcile".

Who agrees that I should do the 180, NC and just contact for kids and emergencies?

Look up my own posts in this thread and you'll see i was in peactically the same position. Turns out after i moved out she still didnt want to get back together. The surprising thing is i'm much happier now than i was with her and i'm with someone who adores me. This was only in june as well. Funny how quick things can change.
 
Who agrees that I should do the 180, NC and just contact for kids and emergencies?

Yes. If she can't make a decision, then you have to. Right now, you have the kids in common. When they are sixteen you won't even have to talk to her about them either, you can just talk directly to them.
 
Well i found out that she's no longer physically attractive to me, she said it makes it harder having 2 kids, She also said she's moving out sooner rather than later "this weekend". last night it practically killed me inside but have to accept that this and move on.
 
So things are looking up a bit for me, the divorce has finally gone through and the wife and I remain on civil speaking terms. Still over seeing the kids whenever I want, once they're in bed we can sit and have a chat like old friends but thats all it is, neither of us wants anything more and we're both content with that.

Had a random hook up off the internet a couple of weeks back, she was a nice girl but she really wasn't my type (which I realised after I sobered up and the deed had been done :o) - had to let her down gently but think she took it hard. To be fair it was a dick move by drunken me.

Was out with work on Friday night, got very drunk and ended up having a bit of a fumble with a rather attractive young lady. Swapped numbers, we've been out on a couple of dates since and things have progressed. Just a bit of fun at the moment, but have been enjoyable evenings / nights / early mornings.

Feels good to be back in the game once again.

Also, can I just say that every single one of Steampunks posts in this thread is bang on the money. The guy gives out some of the best relationship advice I've seen - well played fella, keep it up.
 
Well i found out that she's no longer physically attractive to me, she said it makes it harder having 2 kids, She also said she's moving out sooner rather than later "this weekend". last night it practically killed me inside but have to accept that this and move on.

She's already got things where they are now I think what she's said is a bit heartless. If she wanted to hint at reconciliation earlier that's out of the window now, don't let her continue to keep hurting your feelings and try to consider the real possibility that between you both that things are over. I think emotionally you'll be better off in time.

She's playing with your emotions and nobody deserves to go through that. One minute there's a positive the next this. You deserve better.
 
Well i found out that she's no longer physically attractive to me, she said it makes it harder having 2 kids, She also said she's moving out sooner rather than later "this weekend". last night it practically killed me inside but have to accept that this and move on.

She just doesn't want to be the bad guy who finally called time on the marriage, hence the mixed signals. Something like a stalled sex life due to kids is not that unusual, and can be fixed if the underlying couple still wants to be together. Tracey Cox is on telly fixing that stuff all the time.

I'm sure there would be a lot of people up in arms if a man left his wife & kids because the wife got fat after kids and he "no longer found her physically attractive". I think she just wants out and it's a convenient excuse to passively aggressively blame it on you by saying she's no longer attracted to you. I think she's just fed up of the life she's found herself in, and you're the focus of that.
 
I dont really know the point of this but I just need to say it or just get it out.

My nan has MS, she was diagnosed with it the year I was born, 1995. She wasn't too bad for 10 years or so, maybe I was just too young to notice it. Recently she's got really bad, the past year or so. To the point now where she can barely hold her own drink. And it kills me to see it. I literally can't take it. I try to be supportive, be positive about it and I will literally do anything for her, to the point where I'll get up at 3 in the morning to go get her drink or TV remote because it's fallen off her bed or something as once she is in, she has to be hoisted out.

I was round there yesterday and she tried to drink something and dropped it as she couldn't grip it, and it killed me inside, so much so I had to leave the house go sit in my car and I just burst into tears. And she's wheelchair bound as she can't walk hasn't been able to for years, so she just had to sit there until I came back.

Now there are talks of her going into a home and getting full time care, my mum gave up everything to go and care for her but it's getting to much now. She has her own house, no mortgage or anything and if she goes into care she will have to use money from the house for care as it so ******* expensive. Which is a shame on its own, being 19 and knowing that I'll probably only ever own a house if I get a stupidly high paid job or whatever.

It just kills me, even the thought of anything happening to her, or seeing something that reminds me of it on TV.

I have no one I can talk to about it, because well, I just cry and don't do a whole lot of talking.. I'm crying writing this. When she goes I don't know how I'm going to cope, she's always been there, for everything, when I'm sad, angry, whatever. I just go and see her then everything seems to be okay.

I don't know, I wish I could do something to help her :(
 
I don't know, I wish I could do something to help her :(

You need to see a grief councillor, because what you are doing is starting to grieve for the loss you know is coming. You are young and you will need help from your family and grief councillors to help you through this. All you can do is be there for your grandmother and the rest of your family (who will be suffering too). Make your grandmother as happy and comfortable as you can, be there for her if you are close, and remember you don't want to make her last days full of you crying over her. Remember how she made you happy and the good times, talk about them to her. Make her feel loved as her days come to a close.

It a really horrible thing for a loved one to deteriorate so slowly that every day is another dagger to your heart, but you can't change that, you have to accept it and deal with it as it comes, and as the day arrives where they will pass away. Remember that in the end it will be a release when a person is suffering so much and there is no improvement possible. You just have to make every day as good as you can for yourself, your grandmother and your family, and take each day as it comes.
 
Well I'm starting to see where are cracks are, some days she acts really nice to me then starts acting very immature name calling. The other part is her on her mobile constantly I asked myself would I want to be with someone like this. I feel love blind and she's playing the flirtious games I'm tired of chasing
 
I've been seeing a girl for about 3 weeks or so now. She's a top lass and I get along with her very well. There's just something missing for me, how on earth do I let her down yet manage to remain friends with her? It's been fun don't get me wrong, I just don't see there being anything long term. I guess a slight issue is we have a few mutual friends, she's my best mates wife's driving instructor for example and they get along very well. It might cause a few issues there.

Well I decided to give it some time with her. In the end it was more of a case of us meeting as mates and occasionally having sex. I explained this morning that I just wasn't feeling it and I am still not ready for a relationship. She thanked me for not letting it drag on longer and asked that we stay friends.
 
Anyone here had any dates/been/or in a relationship with an Asian woman?

I've been acquainted and formed a relationship with an Asian woman, her father is from Nepal and her mother Hong Kong.

She's lived in England now for about 12 years with her parents.. anyway we've been speaking now for a while and got fairly close, her personality is fantastic and she has so much character.

But, she is scared of progressing anywhere, she was forced into an arranged marriage at 14 and but now divorced, she's been with other men since but mostly got bad times with them. (abused etc)

Anyway her mother and father are very strict on their culture etc, and it's a big no for her to see a white man... but she doesn't agree with this obviously but if she was to disobey them they would move back to Asia and abandon her. Well she don't know for sure if they would actually do it, but she thinks they would. She really wants to settle down and form a life for herself with someone. Which is fair enough and everyone is entitled to do what they wish with their life, but I understand the culture side to it too... it's a difficult one.

The girl an absolute stunner, very pretty. She is smart and funny too.

Anyway, anyone here been with any Asians and can give me some tips etc? this is the first foreign woman I've ever gotten close to so it's it a bit different and difficult to determine what to do next.. currently I am just letting it flow and it is going well... apart from the obvious things I've said above.

Thanks
 
Anyway, anyone here been with any Asians and can give me some tips etc? this is the first foreign woman I've ever gotten close to so it's it a bit different and difficult to determine what to do next.. currently I am just letting it flow and it is going well... apart from the obvious things I've said above.

Thanks

Is there no chance that the parents could get to know, like, and approve of you?

If they really are that strict and are going to disown her, then she has to make a choice between you and/or a life for herself, and her parents. That's the control/abuse mechanism that the parents use ie, do what we say or you'll lose your family and their support. Some cultures carry it further with threats or actual violence.

A lot of parents say "we want you to settle down with a nice <insert shared cultural background> boy/girl", but usually don't care if the other person is nice enough and a decent provider. Any parents who force their fourteen year old daughter into a forced, abusive marriage and still don't learn their lesson... Well she needs to consider that they are toxic and maybe she would be better off not having them in her life.

Some parents just can't be pleased no matter what, and the sooner a person gives up on trying and gets on with their lives, the better. She has to understand that and be prepared to cut herself off from her family, by choosing to have a life they don't agree with, but which will ultimately make her a happier person.

As for yourself, you need to decide if you want to be involved in all the drama, because you'll effectively be taking some responsibility for dramatically changing this woman's life if she abandons her family for you. Yes, it will be her choice and people choose their own lives, but you'll still feel that way.
 
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Been down this path before and I walked away after 9 months. I like my relationships to be easy and cant deal with cultural differences issues. Especially with "I need to please my parents"
 
Anyone here had any dates/been/or in a relationship with an Asian woman?

I've been acquainted and formed a relationship with an Asian woman, her father is from Nepal and her mother Hong Kong.

She's lived in England now for about 12 years with her parents.. anyway we've been speaking now for a while and got fairly close, her personality is fantastic and she has so much character.

But, she is scared of progressing anywhere, she was forced into an arranged marriage at 14 and but now divorced, she's been with other men since but mostly got bad times with them. (abused etc)

Anyway her mother and father are very strict on their culture etc, and it's a big no for her to see a white man... but she doesn't agree with this obviously but if she was to disobey them they would move back to Asia and abandon her. Well she don't know for sure if they would actually do it, but she thinks they would. She really wants to settle down and form a life for herself with someone. Which is fair enough and everyone is entitled to do what they wish with their life, but I understand the culture side to it too... it's a difficult one.

The girl an absolute stunner, very pretty. She is smart and funny too.

Anyway, anyone here been with any Asians and can give me some tips etc? this is the first foreign woman I've ever gotten close to so it's it a bit different and difficult to determine what to do next.. currently I am just letting it flow and it is going well... apart from the obvious things I've said above.

Thanks

Ok before I start....I am a white guy....and I have only ever exclusively dated Asian woman...culminating in me marrying my Indian wife 12 years ago.

Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Iranian, Vietnamese and Japanese is the breadth of my experience. So while I cant tell you how a white woman operates, I believe I have some experience of Asian women. I do not profess this to be a life hack though, this is something that has worked for me on every occasion aside from the Bangladeshi girl.

White guys are perceived as being the following by a number of Asian cultures :

1)Lacking culture and tradition
2)Not serious about the perception of a relationship. We move on when and as we feel, without any empathy to the damage this can do to a girl/woman. I am aware that I have seen a number of Asian women so I may very well fall into this category.... I managed to work around this.
3)We lack a morale compass. We drink excessively and sleep around excessively.

The general belief is that our values are too far away from theirs. I am sure that TV programmes such as 'Brits Abroad' do nothing to ease these concerns. You need to move yourself away from this as far as possible.

While cultural divergence for a westerner is a non event. Hey what do I care if my wife doesn't eat beef or spends a number of hours a week in the temple room we have at home? For them it is a big deal. The perception is that the man rules the house from a values and a religion perspective so we would move them away from their values, and consequently our children.

In every relationship I have had the parents have been hugely influential in the longevity of the relationship. If they do not approve....the relationship has no staying power. This is FACT. In my experience parental approval was crucial for all of the girls. I made a point of trying to introduce myself to all of them. The key person is the father.

The game plan I had was to be introduced as a 'friend' of the girl, attend a family meal or two etc, then move on to attending a religious/cultural function. Best behaviour etc. Also I made no attempt to have any physical contact with the girls while in front of their parents (no hand holding, hugs etc). Also make it clear that you are serious in your career/business etc. Asian relationships are all about perception (hence the flurry of arranged marriages) so to marry someone at the opposite end of their spectrum is something that the girl's family will have to sell to the extended family (there will be a lot of them) and friends and members of the society. Do not underestimate this.

You cannot be in this for the short game, EVERY Asian girl I dated (ZERO exception) wanted to believe that we were going to marry etc. Genuinely I went into EVERY relationship knowing that this was a perception and I expected that this was on the cards.

In my experience the only relationships that caused me an issue were the ones with Muslim girls. To put it blunty I would have had to change my religion and my name to progress the relationship. I did also consider this with the Pakistani and Iranian girls because the families accepted me on this condition. The Bangladeshi girl? Her father flat out took a dislike to me, so this went nowhere, I became her dirty secret.

So tops tips?

1)Focus on the parents (especially the father - he is the deal maker or breaker)
2)Assure the girl the relationship will be long term, and that this is your goal and not just a bit of fun. The girl will be concerned about her reputation within the community if the relationship is public and breaks down.
3)Be respectful culturally of EVERYTHING she and the family does. Embed yourself with the cultural traditions etc, religion. Get involved in their functions if you can. Show an active interest.
4)Friend zone yourself first as far as her parents are concerned, don't be a boyfriend. Take it slowly with them.
5)Show the parents you are serious about yourself and your career.

As I mentioned earlier, I don't intend this to be a life hack, but this approach this HAS worked for me on EVERY occasion aside from once.

In my experience, Asian women are worth the grind. I am happily married with two kids. My in laws think the sun shines out of my backside and life is currently great.

Best of luck!
 
Anyone here had any dates/been/or in a relationship with an Asian woman?

[Good advice]

My wife is Pakistani (brought up in the UK since she was 4) and I am white British/English. My parents were not overly keen on the relationship when we first met 23 years ago. My mum came around to it when she saw I wasn't going to give up the relationship and my dad came around to it when he died.

My wife has a large family. The more strict muslim side hate me and one member of them threatened me with violence early on because I wasn't Pakistani or muslim. Despite a few difficulties on my side of the family, it was certainly hers that showed most racism towards me. The other side of the family (who she is closer to and are muslim only in name) love me and fully approve (not that I sought their approval). Rifte mentions getting the fathers approval and this may be relevant although my wife's father died when she was young so it wasn't an issue for me.

The slightly larger issue is when you have children and your views are different on how to bring them up. That causes a degree of tension that you have to come to a compromise on. I don't regret getting married to her at all and some asian girls can be stunning when young (20's before anyone makes a joke about it!). It was right for me back in my 20's but as I've grown older (46 now) I probably wouldn't have the patience to put up with some of the difficulties. For example even though I rarely drink nowadays she still brings up comments about "going out drinking all the time" when we have an argument (which tallies with Rifte's comment about how we are perceived in their culture).

Religion was never an issue between the two of us as she's not religious despite her family being so (I'm agnostic). If she had been quite religious or followed her culture more then I think that would have posed much more of an issue that I probably wouldn't have wanted to put the effort in to overcome.

But at the end of the day you can't control who you fall in love with and if she's the right girl then don't let family stand in your way. However do be mindful that if she distances herself from her family then you would be under pressure never to leave her even if things deteriorated between you.

Good luck.
 
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