Nissan Juke vs. Lorry M42

Iamzod · 14 Oct 2015 at 20:16

[TW]Fox;28683950 said:
Perhaps he'd use his blindspot mirror?

You can't just run stuff over with the excuse that its in your blind spot so it's no big deal.

Hence why I said I would blame both, it is a retarded place to be changing lanes for the lorry driver, but you equally have to be a retard to sit on the inside of a lorry when there was plenty of time to not end up stuck in that place.

And those blind spot mirrors up top are utterly useless from what I remember as you can't see very far out from the wheel.

(I will point out that this is based on an N-Reg Volvo FL10 though)

[TW]Fox · 14 Oct 2015 at 20:22

Iamzod said:
Hence why I said I would blame both, it is a retarded place to be changing lanes for the lorry driver, but you equally have to be a retard to sit on the inside of a lorry when there was plenty of time to not end up stuck in that place.

Where did you expect him to go? Tailgate the van in front perhaps?

He joined the Motorway legally into a vacant space in an unoccupied lane and maintained a safe following distance from the van in front.

Then someone in a truck changed lanes into the side of him without looking.

Jokester · 14 Oct 2015 at 20:25

Nothing worse than people changing lanes at slip roads like that, recipe for disaster.

Rroff · 14 Oct 2015 at 20:28

Regardless of who might or might not be at fault (legally etc.) and it could be a huge oversight by the lorry driver I'm with Jokester except in extreme circumstances the lorry should have stayed in his lane until well clear of the junction.

shadow_boxer · 14 Oct 2015 at 20:30

Jono8 said:
Clearly the lorry's fault.

Iamzod · 14 Oct 2015 at 20:31

If it was me i'd have speed up so I wasn't sat at the side of a trucks cab or backed off a bit and slotted in to the spot that the OP took. There was a fair bit of room in either place by the looks of it and he had plenty of time to do something about it, if he sped up he would have still had more braking distance than the OP between him and the van.

Yes it is a perfectly legal move as is doing 60 down the single track road down the side of my house but it doesn't make it a clever move.

In my view you should always assume all the other drivers on the road are morons, I wouldn't have taken that space.

Jokester · 14 Oct 2015 at 20:34

You could have a long wait at the end of that slip road before a bigger space opened up.

Iamzod · 14 Oct 2015 at 20:35

Jokester said:
You could have a long wait at the end of that slip road before a bigger space opened up.

Why would he have to wait? there were two options that would not have left him sat at the side of that truck.

Jokester · 14 Oct 2015 at 20:39

Iamzod said:
Why would he have to wait? there were two options that would not have left him sat at the side of that truck.

Personally I would have avoided tail gating the van in front or forcing the van behind to slow down. He's absolutely placed himself in the ideal safe position equidistant between the two vans in his lane.

You can't account for other drivers making dangerous lane changes like that on a busy road. The only way to avoid it is to stay at home.

Iamzod · 14 Oct 2015 at 20:43

Jokester said:
Personally I would have avoided tail gating the van in front or forcing the van behind to slow down. He's absolutely placed himself in the ideal safe position equidistant between the two vans in his lane.

You can't account for other drivers making dangerous lane changes like that on a busy road. The only way to avoid it is to stay at home.

He didn't need to tail gate the van in front, he would have had a fair distance, he has 12-13 seconds to find a slot from the point at which the traffic becomes visible, that is a fairly lengthy time, if he scrubbed 10MPH off he would have took the spot that the OP took and the OP would have been sat with a Juke in front of him.

Either way, I wouldn't have had a truck drive into the side of me.

Jokester · 14 Oct 2015 at 20:53

Hindsight is wonderful though isn't.

[TW]Fox · 14 Oct 2015 at 20:57

Jokester said:
Hindsight is wonderful though isn't.

Exactly, everyone here would have done something similar because it was a normal everyday Motorway join that tens of thousands of people do each day without a truck driving into them.

It's very different when it's a video and 4 page internet thread you can go over with a fine toothcombe, knowing the outcome of the move and therefore being able to work out exactly what to do.

Iamzod · 14 Oct 2015 at 20:58

Jokester said:
Hindsight is wonderful though isn't.

Are you telling me you aren't looking to your right as soon as there is visibility? I would have probably dropped down to 4th & slotted in in front of the truck personally, not right in up the arse of the van but maybe so the back end of my car was maybe a foot clear of the truck as then he'd have to be an utter twonk to miss me.

I just think neither of them were paying any attention, probably both on autopilot after a day at work.

Maybe I am just more careful around trucks than most, I see no end of cars going up the inside of them where the M18 splits off from the M1, you won't get me doing that.

Jokester · 14 Oct 2015 at 21:02

Iamzod said:
Are you telling me you aren't looking to your right as soon as there is visibility? I would have probably dropped down to 4th & slotted in in front of the truck personally, not right in up the arse of the van but maybe so the back end of my car was maybe a foot clear of the truck as then he'd have to be an utter twonk to miss me.

I just think neither of them were paying any attention, probably both on autopilot after a day at work.

Maybe I am just more careful around trucks than most, I see no end of cars going up the inside of them where the M18 splits off from the M1, you won't get me doing that.

Do you never pass trucks, you know, just in case?

Iamzod · 14 Oct 2015 at 21:04

Jokester said:
Do you never pass trucks, you know, just in case?

Of course I do, but not on the inside, it's not exactly hard to avoid.

Jokester · 14 Oct 2015 at 21:11

Iamzod said:
Of course I do, but not on the inside, it's not exactly hard to avoid.

He's not exactly undertaking him though is he. He's pulled off a sliproad and then the truck driver hasn't looked. That could be the truck driver going any direction without checking the lane over was empty.

Anyway, started watching the video thinking it might have been a 50/50 with them both moving over at the same time, but not one of them being 4-5s later. Mind boggles that some people think it's anything other than the truck drivers fault.

xs2man · 14 Oct 2015 at 21:14

[TW]Fox;28683633 said:
Don't forget to brake hard every time you see an indicator.

That isn't even close to what I actually said though. This is the post to which I assume you are referring :

xs2man said:
And ultimately yes. Every time I'm on the motorway and see someone indicating, I assume they will continue the move until obvious they won't.

That doesn't equal an emergency stop at every flash of an indicator.

Iamzod said:
If it was me i'd have speed up so I wasn't sat at the side of a trucks cab or backed off a bit and slotted in to the spot that the OP took. There was a fair bit of room in either place by the looks of it and he had plenty of time to do something about it, if he sped up he would have still had more braking distance than the OP between him and the van.

Yes it is a perfectly legal move as is doing 60 down the single track road down the side of my house but it doesn't make it a clever move.

In my view you should always assume all the other drivers on the road are morons, I wouldn't have taken that space.

This.

Iamzod · 14 Oct 2015 at 21:16

Jokester said:
Mind boggles that some people think it's anything other than the truck drivers fault.

I'm not saying the truck driver has no blame, he is a moron for changing lane at a slip road, that is obvious. But I don't get why anyone would put themselves in that situation voluntarily when it's easily avoided.

Kenai · 14 Oct 2015 at 21:25

Iamzod said:
I'm not saying the truck driver has no blame, he is a moron for changing lane at a slip road, that is obvious. But I don't get why anyone would put themselves in that situation voluntarily when it's easily avoided.

Because 9999 times out of 10000 the lorry doesn't just change lane straight into the back of your car, they look first.

I'm all for defensive driving but sometimes on here it almost enters the realms of 'perfect, faultless, bordering on psychic' driving rather than defensive

xs2man · 14 Oct 2015 at 21:29

The truck indicated for 4 seconds before moving. Hardly need to be psychic to spot that.

You should, however, be observant enough to know whats happening around you as you enter a relatively busy motorway from a relatively busy slip road.