Bloody immigrants not respecting the law

cheesyboy said:
I seriously think you would have to be unhinged to be in favour of the death penalty for quite a number of those "crimes", no matter the injured party.

From that list you quoted:
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Sedition
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Personally, I wouldn't advocate death penalty for anything, but I suspect some people would argue the case for some of those.
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Anyone in the UK lobbying for shariah should be charged with this, and then given the shariah punishment.
 
Nitefly said:
Yes, I agree with this, but I do sympathise for him none the less.

Re-freakbro: holy semantics over the use of harm batman :p. It's harmless in the sense that it's not obviously harmful enough to be classified as illegal, with any sensible application of judging what people should be free to choose to do. Other drugs should obviously be banned but I do think the punishment for possession is ludicrous even in this country - being the lefty hippy that I am.
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Since when did "harm" have anything to do with drug policy in the UK?

Alcohol is a drug, and a drug that can be considered more dangerous than many illegal drugs.

But I agree, the punishments for drug possession are ridiculous. At least many countries are starting to realise this now.
 
elmarko said:
Saudi Arabia is a backwards & primitive nation (legally speaking & the fact they like in a theocratic authoritarian dictatorship), that's ignoring the mass human rights abuses, the legalised slavery (removal of passports) & exporting of terrorism. Remember at this very time a person is due to be beheaded & crucified for three days for protesting when he was 17.

The west if it does feel the need to impose democracy on other nations should at least be even handed with it & stop propping up nations when it suits us. 'Cultural respect' does not include allowing unnecessary human suffering & supporting dictatorships.

Per capita of the larger nations Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Jordan & Somalia are the highest - China is a 1/6th of the rate of Saudi Arabia to use as a point of reference.

In Saudi Arabia the following crimes will result in a lost head in many cases.

Adultery (Unmarried adulterers can be sentenced to 100 lashes, married ones can be sentenced to stoning.)
Apostasy (Apostates are sentenced to beheading but are usually given three days to repent and return to Islam.)
Armed robbery
Blasphemy
Burglary
Carjacking
Aircraft hijacking
Drug smuggling
Fornication
Home invasion
Sodomy, homosexuality, or lesbianism (If a man or woman is sodomized by their own consent, then they will also be sentenced to death along with the sodomizer)
Idolatry
Murder
Rape
Sedition
Sexual misconduct
Sorcery
Terrorism
Theft (fourth conviction)
Treason
Waging war on God
Witchcraft
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But Saudi Arabia is the largest importer if arms worldwide - which includes substantial business for Typhoons, Hawks and other hardware .....
 
Von Smallhausen said:
But Saudi Arabia is the largest importer if arms worldwide - which includes substantial business for Typhoons, Hawks and other hardware .....
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Not forgetting the oil, economic ties = economical with how regimes are treated. Only when the oil either runs out or becomes a moot point economics wise and the arms deals stop being made will Saudi Arabia receive the political pressure/sanctions or action against it that other countries have had.

I surmise their long term goal is to own enough in the west before that happens to use their financial muscle to counter any action against them at any point in the future that the above may happen.
 
this is worth a watch for anyone interested - the guy who started up defence contracts with the Saudis was the founder of the SAS, David Sterling, wanting to maintain British influence across the world... Not necessarily a bad idea initially though we probably do need to extract ourselves from dealing with these sorts of regimes or at least using whatever influence we have left with them to try and get them to change.

 
I don't agree with any of Saudi Arabia's laws but it's simple.

You do the crime, you do the time.

If you think you can ignore the law in Saudi Arabia you are incredibly naïve.
 
FoxEye said:
It works better than beheading people, yes.

You aren't going to get much support for this from most civilised countries.

Especially when on your list of "crimes" calling for execution are "sleeping around" and "not being a muslim anymore".

You don't very much sound like a moderate, btw. Support for the death penalty for religious violations tends to be something the extremists believe in. Are you an extremist?
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Divide and Conquer hey, doesn't work for the weak minded. Label me what you want but if you are homosexually raped or any of your family then like I said let me see you defend a petty prison sentence.

Picking at the less serious crimes all you can do? He isn't being killed for his crime is he? It's simple really, don't do the crime if you can't do the time or in Saudi's case take the lashings.

Makes me want to watch Law Abiding Citizen this thread :D

P.S In case you think I am "Barbaric" blah blah I actually think they should reduce his punishment on compassionate grounds.
 
Mr Andree's son Simon told the BBC his father had "enjoyed living in Saudi Arabia for 25 years and has been very happy there".

I have zero sympathy for somebody who is no longer British living in a foreign country and breaks their laws.
I'd have a little bit more sympathy if it was somebody on holiday or had gone out there on a year contract.
 
I think the punishments are barbaric, especially having the death penalty for leaving the religion. That said, I have no sympathy at all for someone who moves to such a backwards country (and has been there for 25 years) and then knowingly breaks the law.
 
Twirlywoos said:
Divide and Conquer hey, doesn't work for the weak minded. Label me what you want but if you are homosexually raped or any of your family then like I said let me see you defend a petty prison sentence.
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Why homosexually raped? Surely rape is rape? Not to mention there is a massive gulf between petty prison sentence and beheading.

Twirlywoos said:
Picking at the less serious crimes all you can do? He isn't being killed for his crime is he? It's simple really, don't do the crime if you can't do the time or in Saudi's case take the lashings.
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The problem is that you supported barbaric punishments for all the crimes on the list rather than "just" the serious ones. Do you think death is a suitable punishment for adultry, apostasy and homosexuality?

300+ lashes could very well be a death sentence for a 70 year old man regardless though I still don't think it is appropriate punishment for six bottles of home made wine.
 
Sho said:
What's my sig got to do with anything about this unfortunate person.
As I said, the guy knew the law. And still decided to break the law in a country where he knew it could be devastating. So he deserves the punishment. So, no sympathy what's so ever.
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It's the same with the jihadists from the West heading out to fight with Isis, realising it's terrible out there, then wanting to come "home" after committing the crime. I'm with you, they knew the law and still decided to break it, now let them get blown to **** by Putin. No sympathy whatsoever etc.
 
RDM said:
Why homosexually raped? Surely rape is rape? Not to mention there is a massive gulf between petty prison sentence and beheading.



The problem is that you supported barbaric punishments for all the crimes on the list rather than "just" the serious ones. Do you think death is a suitable punishment for adultry, apostasy and homosexuality?

300+ lashes could very well be a death sentence for a 70 year old man regardless though I still don't think it is appropriate punishment for six bottles of home made wine.
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Regardless of what I think to those "crimes" and their punishments this is about a man who broke the law of the land he happily lived in for 25 years and now his family is pleading to the Government to have him extradited or to intervene in some shape or form.

If you feel passionate about this man's welfare then man up and go to the gates of 10 Downing Street, start a petition, appeal to the Saudi Embassy etc but just do something about it instead of battling it out on a forum that achieves NOTHING.

So what are you going to do?

When Alan Henning was captured by IS in Syria, I got up and did something together with Cheadle Mosque and Manchester Central Mosque. We pleaded with ISIS as a community the best way that we could.

I was devastated when he was killed but atleast I got up and made my voice heard as part of a large community.

https://www.facebook.com/CMATRUST/posts/582398911887642

So I ask you again, what are YOU going to do? Don't duck and dive asking me stupid questions have no bearing on the welfare of the guy who faces punishment because that achieves **** all.
 
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Twirlywoos said:
Regardless of what I think to those "crimes" and their punishments this is about a man who broke the law of the land he happily lived in for 25 years and now his family is pleading to the Government to have him extradited or to intervene in some shape or form.
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You talk about ducking the issue when you do much the same? Are you afraid your answers may reveal your prejudices?

Twirlywoos said:
If you feel passionate about this man's welfare then man up and go to the gates of 10 Downing Street, start a petition, appeal to the Saudi Embassy etc but just do something about it instead of battling it out on a forum that achieves NOTHING.

So what are you going to do?
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Who said anything about feeling passionately for him? I feel sympathy for him, feel the punishment is unjust and think your lack of sympathy for an old man facing a fairly horrific punishment to be somewhat heartless. I also disagreed with your statement about being a victim of "all" those "crimes" meaning I would want someone killed I have been a victim of some of them, at no point did I wish death upon the perpetrators.

Twirlywoos said:
When Alan Henning was captured by IS in Syria, I got up and did something together with Cheadle Mosque and Manchester Central Mosque. We pleaded with ISIS as a community the best way that we could.

I was devastated when he was killed but atleast I got up and made my voice heard as part of a large community.

https://www.facebook.com/CMATRUST/posts/582398911887642
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Oh this is hilarious. You ask what I am going to do about something and then post to a Facebook post as some sort of defiant act. Thank god you showed ISIS what for by posting on Facebook! So much more effective than OCUK! :D
 
RDM said:
Oh this is hilarious. You ask what I am going to do about something and then post to a Facebook post as some sort of defiant act. Thank god you showed ISIS what for by posting on Facebook! So much more effective than OCUK! :D
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This is a word I don't use but this deserves it -

LOL
 
RDM said:
Oh this is hilarious. You ask what I am going to do about something and then post to a Facebook post as some sort of defiant act. Thank god you showed ISIS what for by posting on Facebook! So much more effective than OCUK! :D
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jeeze, that is almost going as far as writing a strongly worded letter or signing a petition :D
 
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