** Star Wars Episode VII - SPOILERS WITHIN **

Easyrider - I think post count makes all the difference here. None of them liked the film either but none of them are dominating the thread.
 
I just thought it was totally devoid of new idea. Its not like there wouldn't be another movie so I don't get the idea or need of trying to fit everything into one film, they should have tried building something from the ground up. I actually like the new characters despise how lazy the writing was for them, Finn being an ex storm trooper was a good idea.

Part of me really thinks they should have done a star trek and recast the characters then pick up a bit after ROTJ.

I just don't feel the movie done anything to justify its existence, other than its stars wars and lets make some money off it.
 
Star Wars at its core is a very small story, same as every other good vs evil movie it's about saving the world or universe but it always comes down the one guy. That story isn't original or unique to Star Wars.

Also the "it could have been so much more", people I think are blinded by the Vader reveal moment, they was the peak of the franchise and the bar it set itself, in fact, that is one of the pinnacle of cinematic history, not many movies will ever get there and I doubt any future star wars ever will so if that's the bar people want every Star Wars movie to hit, just because the one previous did it then they are setting themselves for a life time of disappointments. Look at Jedi, what emotional impact did that have? Apart from being grossed out by an underlying incest storyline.

TFA is never going to get anywhere with the height of Empire because these are new characters, it's chapter 1 of a bigger story which are yet to be told. I'm just glad Star Wars is back, back with good characters (ahem Jar Jar), realistic looking worlds and no more politics.
 
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Uriel said:
Easyrider - I think post count makes all the difference here. None of them liked the film either but none of them are dominating the thread.
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I don't think post count is relevant here in a discussion thread...

Being involved doesn't make it wrong ?

However Skeeter is right behind me in post count and most of his posts recently have been nothing about the film but about me personally instead...


I could quote them as evidence but I've the TFA to discuss...

Ok thanks :)
 
Raymond Lin said:
Also the "it could have been so much more", people I think are blinded by the Vader reveal moment, they was the peak of the franchise and the bar it set itself, in fact, that is one of the pin nick of cinematic history, not many movies will ever get there and I doubt any future star wars ever will so if that's the bar people want every Star Wars movie to hit, just because the one previous did it then they are setting themselves for a life time of disappointments. Look at Jedi, what emotional impact did that have? Apart from being grossed out by an underlying incest storyline.
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No, that's not it at all.

You're just trying to create reasons for people not enjoying it as you did.
 
Uncle Petey said:
Well, your perspective on why I, and others who were also undewhelmed is based on a presumption regarding it not having anything like Vader/father reveal, and that's not the case :)
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Nor for me....the films problems are way bigger than that...

I think when the dust settles...more critique will be made...
 
I was joking when i compared it to jurassic world it's made it even funnier now the same director of that garbage no plot movie is doing episode 8 (it all makes sense now).

All you're going to get is a copy paste of the empire strikes back for episode 8 then.:D

I am not easy rider btw just a star wars fan and something died in my heart watching the force awakens.

Star wars deserves better, people forget the originals had this certain stark gritty adult feel to them they certainly were not 100% aimed at kids.

It's just all so unimaginative and lazy and copy cat film making, just like Abrams best movie super 8 is a copy cat of a Richard Donner / Speilberg movie.
 
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C64 said:
I was joking when i compared it to jurassic world it's made it even funnier now the same director of that garbage no plot movie is doing episode 8 (it all makes sense now).

All you're going to get is a copy paste of the empire strikes back for episode 8 then.:D

I am not easy rider btw just a star wars fan and something died in my heart watching the force awakens.
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9. Rian Johnson is directing 8.
 
It's been ten days since I saw TFA and my initial observations with the film haven't changed.

Sometimes you watch a film and don't enjoy it but later get a hankering to see it again. Not so with TFA.

One of my main issues is that there wasn't enough substance to it, and once you brush aside the fancy effects there is little to draw you back in. In comparison a classic like Back to the Future has rewatchability in abundance and a genuine soul to it.
 
C64 said:
Ah okay at least that's a tiny chink of light
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Giving the finale of a trilogy to a guy who's only major film so far is a 3rd photocopy of Jurassic Park, which was chock full of crap CGI, is not a chink of light, its a disaster waiting to happen.

We will probably get a fully green screen filmed copy if 4 again, with a genetically modified Jar Jar.
 
Uncle Petey said:
Well, your perspective on why I, and others who were also undewhelmed is based on a presumption regarding it not having anything like Vader/father reveal, and that's not the case :)

If anything, you're trying to tell me what my perspective is.
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I'll be interested to hear what you mean with regards to "more".
 
Uncle Petey said:
I think that's been covered in depth by others in this thread already tbh.

Are you with Captain Rave on the idea that it's as good as it could be?
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There has been so much negativity by others about what the movie has done wrong, and apart from the idea of solo and chewy having a gas mask joke moment I don't remember what people's suggestion on what they meant by "more".

What is your take on it?
 
Raymond, I really don't feel to write a Drunkenmaster essay on it tbh, nor am I dodging the question. Plus, I'm just about to pop out.

You've been keeping up with the thread and you already know why people have issues with it.
If you were were happy and entertained by it, and felt that it was as good a film as it could be, then I'm happy for you.

To give a brief answer: It was barely more than a retread of things we have already seen before, with only a couple of new bits thrown in, such as Finn, the turn cloak stormtrooper.
To go into more detail would basically be a copy paste or rewrite of what's already been said.
That's basically why it could've been so much more.

ED; Oh, and a story led by a series of convenient coincidences.
 
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