** Star Wars Episode VII - SPOILERS WITHIN **

As I already mentioned in another thread, I think by exhausting old ideas in this film people will be more open minded about new ideas in the next one.

I'd be annoyed if they rehashed similar ideas in the next one, but it didn't bother me here.
 
Nitefly said:
As I already mentioned in another thread, I think by exhausting old ideas in this film people will be more open minded about new ideas in the next one.

I'd be annoyed if they rehashed similar ideas in the next one, but it didn't bother me here.
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Yeah, I can totally live with TFA not having fully original story. I understand why Disney decided to do soft reboot and rehash, kind of prep episode with major plot points of OT thrown into one. I understand that anyone aged 12-18 can't be expected to sit through "old movies". In Star Trek universe no kid these days could be expected to go through Shatner/Nimoy canon and unwatchable by today's ADHD standards cinematic series to build the new Star Trek franchise from this point onwards. They brought key characters for cameos, to feed the old "core" audience and then promptly move on. They've done exactly the same reboot model with SW. And I understand the mechanics of it and the need for it. Of course part of me agrees with critique of the plot and I wish reboot wasn't necessary and I hoped the story was more original, but given the world we live in today - it is what it is.

What I do hate and struggle with though, is how it is excusable these days for writers to be sloppy and careless in the process. I do not think it is unreasonable to expect TFA story, based mainly on already pre-established plot devices and McGuffins to be absolutely watertight. It should be so, to a fault.
 
I think making a 'new' Star Wars film was going to be next to impossible for anyone. Too different and it be all 'not the same' and 'lost the magic of the first films' etc. as it stands it is very similar to ANH and while some may wail and gripe about this fact (I didn't like the 'rebootiness' of the film personally) it did need to be similar in theme, if not in execution. I enjoyed it a lot, but it was merely good, not great.
 
C64 said:
I am not easy rider btw just a star wars fan and something died in my heart watching the force awakens.

Star wars deserves better, people forget the originals had this certain stark gritty adult feel to them they certainly were not 100% aimed at kids.

It's just all so unimaginative and lazy and copy cat film making, just like Abrams best movie super 8 is a copy cat of a Richard Donner / Speilberg movie.
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This is bit low tbh...I was one of the very first people in this thread to make these points....

In fact you sure you haven't copied and pasted this from this thread?

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/s...ighlight=lazy+username_easyrider#post28975386



https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=28983916&postcount=3851

see below
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Skeeter said:
Giving the finale of a trilogy to a guy who's only major film so far is a 3rd photocopy of Jurassic Park, which was chock full of crap CGI, is not a chink of light, its a disaster waiting to happen.

We will probably get a fully green screen filmed copy if 4 again, with a genetically modified Jar Jar.
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Exactly what I thought when I heard that

Mind you - Disney have already made so much from VII it doesn't really matter how much they throw away on VIII and IX and the two offshoots they are already laughing.

Nitefly said:
As I already mentioned in another thread, I think by exhausting old ideas in this film people will be more open minded about new ideas in the next one.
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That's a VERY limited way of seeing it - the problem with you theory being that people are more likely to accept new ideas if a decent director has a handle on the film, the likelihood of that happening with the chosen director for VIII is very tiny indeed

JJ could have made a COMPLETELY new film with the same characters used, and it would have been more widely accepted as a good film

A debut director to this level (baring in mind JW had NO pressure behind it what so ever, and just happened to be a hit - totally unlike ep VIII which after the box office success of VII will now need to be a public success also) is going to really struggle with the pressure

Also look at what he did with JW, it was just more of the same for the most part - why would VIII suddenly break new horizons?
 
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FrankJH said:
Exactly what I thought when I heard that

Mind you - Disney have already made so much from VII it doesn't really matter how much they throw away on VIII and IX and the two offshoots they are already laughing.
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I'm not concerned about Episode 8 (Rian Johnson). Looper was original, if not stellar, and he did a few episodes of Breaking Bad which put characters and story telling at the fore.

Rogue One, Han Solo and Boba Fett have the potential to be great if they detach themselves from the Episode films enough to stand on their own feet.
 
FrankJH said:
That's a VERY limited way of seeing it - the problem with you theory being that people are more likely to accept new ideas if a decent director has a handle on the film, the likelihood of that happening with the chosen director for VIII is very tiny indeed
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I don't think they did it intentionally. I'm just looking on the bright side of it. If it were any different people would be saying 'hurr it wasn't like the old movies' - they gave what people wanted, most people really liked it and are now ready to move on.
 
Skeeter said:
I'm not concerned about Episode 8 (Rian Johnson). Looper was original, if not stellar, and he did a few episodes of Breaking Bad which put characters and story telling at the fore.

Rogue One, Han Solo and Boba Fett have the potential to be great if they detach themselves from the Episode films enough to stand on their own feet.
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Looper wasn't that original - Terminator but put another way

I would be much more comfy with VIII and IX if they were being handled by directors used to handling the pressure at this level

The offshoots don't matter so much - they will probably still be hits but will have less pressure and smaller budgets anyway
 
There was a lot of good in 7, but its been tainted by a story seam running through it that has been done before.

7 is not a remake of 4, but it has just enogh of 4 in it to spoil it. Like when a kid has that little streak of their parents in them and when it comes out all you can think of is their parents.
 
Why does Maz Kanata keep her most prized and valuable possession in an unlocked chest in a publicly accessible basement? If her bar is as dangerous as Han says, wouldn't she have at least one or two or a hundred safeguards in place to ensure that no one steals Luke Skywalker's light saber? To those thinking this sort of thing isn't a plot hole, realize that it's a logical inconsistency that serves to contradict everything else said about (a) the shrewdness of Maz Kanata, (b) the value of Luke's light saber, (c) the dangerousness of Kanata's cantina, and (d) Kanata's commitment to the Resistance. If these things don't matter to you as a movie-goer, that's cool. But they do -- and should -- matter to the sort of writers who get paid mid-six figures (or more) to produce scripts for billion dollar-earning film franchises

I was thinking this aswell...Didn't Rey just wander into the basement and find it?




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Sticking with the "Second-Rate First Order" theme, let's just say it: "Flametroopers" are (a) cool-looking, and (b) have absolutely no place in the Star Wars universe. The Star Wars universe is a place in which just a couple blaster strikes can cause anything to combust; the only reason for The Force Awakens to feature WW2-era weaponry like a flamethrower is because you want to sell toys and "Stormtroopers" with slightly updated helmets won't cut it. Enter "Flametroopers," who smack way too much of the bottom-of-the-barrel G.I. Joe characters of the 1980s. Maybe this is why Flametroopers only make one (very brief) appearance in the film. On the other hand, the Flametrooper division helps make the case for a stand-alone Star Wars film from the perspective of one of the First Order's silliest military contingents: an idea the several clerks of Clerks, but also many others, would love.


What are they using flamethrowers for when blasters can do it?
 
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I have zero problems of 7 cherry picking the best bits from previous movies, or any movies for that matter, like I don't have a problem with every romantic comedies follows the same structure. I don't think Star Wars should be held to a higher standard that there should be something 100% brand new original in every scene. For one thing, that is a standard no movie can ever live up to and will just setting yourself up for disappointments. Second, I hold it to the same standard to every other movie, which is to be entertained. And that comes down to a lot more than just the storyline, I found the movie funny, I found the performances to be excellent, I was intrigued with the villain, I was interested in the developments of the characters. It was fun to see the Falcon again, it was fun to see the old cast again and it was nice to see worlds that we are familiar with.

Besides....one can make a case that the original Star Wars is a rehash of Akira Kurosawa's movies Kakushi toride no san akunin (1958), Tsubaki Sanjûrô (1962) and Yojimbo (1961). And notable credit to Joseph Campbell's book The Hero with a Thousand Faces (1949). So credit where credits due.
 
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easyrider said:
Why does Maz Kanata keep her most prized and valuable possession in an unlocked chest in a publicly accessible basement?
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Who says it's her most prized and valuable possession?

easyrider said:
What are they using flamethrowers for when blasters can do it?
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Fear and intimidation. The flamethrowers were being used to destroy people's homes. Word of mouth intimidation to stop others aiding the resistance.
 
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