I never listed the whole map thing as one of the bad bit is this film as I'm hoping it was just a poor choice on how they visualised it, I really hope so anyway.
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I never listed the whole map thing as one of the bad bit is this film as I'm hoping it was just a poor choice on how they visualised it, I really hope so anyway.
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Agreed the graphic they used was a bit daft
from where?
But as the map ("from the imperial archives that R2 was holding, apparently since death star 1") is displayed by R2 at the end, it contains route traced with a glowing line, that lines up perfectly with a route traced across the map of unknown regions from Max Von Sydow's USB stick as displayed by BB8.
- If the route displayed across the map is a route to Luke Skywalker's current location, how could Empire have it on map a from Death Star I some 38 years prior?
- If the route displayed across the map was a just a paint by numbers trace across all ancient Jedi Temples in the Known Universe, why would it be in Imperial Archives but more importantly, since nobody knows where Luke exactly is, how would both Resistance and First Order know that Luke Skywalker currently resides on top of stairs to the left at that particular last Temple, from the piece that was missing?
- If Kylo has never seen that small puzzle piece map from Max Von Sydow's USB stick, how does he know during Rays interrogation that a) it's a map b) it's that one map from Imperial Archives that they were missing a central piece of.
- If R2 was in low power mode and never revealed to anyone that it had downloaded Imperial Archive from Death Star I (and darn... how much quicker would that war be won, if Rebels knew), how does Leia know to send Poe to fetch USB stick with partial map from Max Von Sydow?
- If the Resistance showcased Max Von Sydow's USB stick in the main control room, and R2 (in low power mode) was stored at the back, how does it know to wake up all of a sudden and announce to C3PO that it "found Master Luke" on an old Imperial map?
- If the route displayed across the map is a route to Luke Skywalker's current location, how could Empire have it on map a from Death Star I some 38 years prior?
- If the route displayed across the map was a just a paint by numbers trace across all ancient Jedi Temples in the Known Universe, why would it be in Imperial Archives but more importantly, since nobody knows where Luke exactly is, how would both Resistance and First Order know that Luke Skywalker currently resides on top of stairs to the left at that particular last Temple, from the piece that was missing?
- If Kylo has never seen that small puzzle piece map from Max Von Sydow's USB stick, how does he know during Rays interrogation that a) it's a map b) it's that one map from Imperial Archives that they were missing a central piece of.
- If R2 was in low power mode and never revealed to anyone that it had downloaded Imperial Archive from Death Star I (and darn... how much quicker would that war be won, if Rebels knew), how does Leia know to send Poe to fetch USB stick with partial map from Max Von Sydow?
- If the Resistance showcased Max Von Sydow's USB stick in the main control room, and R2 (in low power mode) was stored at the back, how does it know to wake up all of a sudden and announce to C3PO that it "found Master Luke" on an old Imperial map?
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Anyone watched the new Stuckman in-depth review on the movie yet?
I am 10mins in and all I can think of is, that is so true!!! (btw, he's only talked about the negative so far)
I am 10mins in and all I can think of is, that is so true!!! (btw, he's only talked about the negative so far)
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Yeah its messy, the graphic is poop too
It will all be explained to death on wookipedia eventually somehow - if you really must know
It will all be explained to death on wookipedia eventually somehow - if you really must know
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Finished the Stuckman video, yup yup yup.
TFA copies ANH.
Yup, Dodgy CGI.
Yup, it feels like ANH.
etc etc
And the New Yorks Times thought Empire Strikes Back was "A Nice Movie."
Lol.
Got to agree with Stuckman, pretty much what I've said earlier.
TFA copies ANH.
Yup, Dodgy CGI.
Yup, it feels like ANH.
etc etc
And the New Yorks Times thought Empire Strikes Back was "A Nice Movie."
Lol.
Got to agree with Stuckman, pretty much what I've said earlier.
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Just read on mirror app that JJ admits to copying ANH
He's almost right on the familiarity and self copying front, and I like his solution - I think skipping the whole Star Killer base would stop TFA feeling like going one Death Star too far. He's also completely right about the whole "TFA is a good movie with problems", it's exactly what majority of us have been saying since release.
But one has to wonder what would it take to make a movie without gaping holes or problems. If scribes don't double read their own scripts for Star Wars, what kind of production would it take write and produce watertight story these days? What would it take to end up with major franchise movie without gaping edit holes like "Snoke feels awakening before the awakening happens" or "Poe leaves Jakku after Finn but gets to Rebel base and back to Maz faster than Falcon Millennium could deliver Finn to the same place"? What would it take to not end up with toy figurine carpet play scenarios like "planetary weapon that sucks solar centre of its own system and before ultimate demise in eternal cold and darkness the crew shall attempt to blow everything within its... am... rotationally dictated, meridian limited line of sight, you know - the kind of miss it once, wait for the duration of the entire orbital travel till next year" type of menacing power? What would it take to think over short handed McGuffins like "the map to Luke" or "R2 wakes up" or other "just do it I'll explain it in an interview later" exit strategies? Three generations of movie goers looking over your shoulder and the best the guy can do is "it's a good question for another time"? WTF? What do we do with something like this - force the next director to implement "flashback story" device within Star Wars visual style? Let someone make TV series about it in 20 years? Turn it into Lego Star Wars insider joke? There must be a better way to tell the story to billion viewers than wave your hands and go "yada, yada, yada, long story short, she ends up with Luke's light saber" FFS?
Now I think this is a problem of the SW canon universe rather than the film makers fault. Writers of the EU used to say the same. They have the outline of an idea can touch on it but couldn't expand on it because the details was down for another authors book. I think this is what will happen here with R2's back story and the sabre, like Heir to the Jedi just seems to exist as a book to tell us how luke learned to make his own sabre for ROTJ. A terrible book that should have been one chapter but rather than make it a part of a better story someone was given the task and little else.
I'm sure all these things will be the same, tied up by someone else leaving the same disjointed world and stories we complained about in the EU.
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That's one of the reasons why Disney made the Lucasfilm Story Group and scrapped the EU - they map everything out and everyone that makes Star Wars stuff has to liase with them to make sure it fits.
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The feels....
I think TFA is great but does have some problems but this isn't one of them:
If you watch, Poe takes off his jacket when they enter the TIE fighter. Irrespective of whatever happens to Poe (how did he get from there to the base?), the jacket was easily recovered from the TIE by Finn, with all logic intact. As for it only being a device to get BB8 to recognise Finn and drive the story; erm, yeah, that's how storytelling works.
If you watch, Poe takes off his jacket when they enter the TIE fighter. Irrespective of whatever happens to Poe (how did he get from there to the base?), the jacket was easily recovered from the TIE by Finn, with all logic intact. As for it only being a device to get BB8 to recognise Finn and drive the story; erm, yeah, that's how storytelling works.
As we know from Greg Rucka's "Before the Awakening" within new canon, Finn (FN-2187) had only three close friends at The First Order barracks, one of which was FN-2003 (known to his friends as "Slip"). Slip is the one that dies during assault on Tuanul colony at Kelvin Ravine (Jakku, Western Reaches) smearing his blood on Finn's helmet and triggering the trauma that leads to his escape with Poe Dameron before Phasma can send him to "reconditioning" post "re-evaluation".
If only FN-2187 knew that his best friend "Slip" died from the hands of the same Poe Dameron (Poe's third shot after sending BB8 away)...
If only FN-2187 knew that his best friend "Slip" died from the hands of the same Poe Dameron (Poe's third shot after sending BB8 away)...
Haha that's great. Me neither
This film is so ridiculous plot wise. I enjoyed watching it again at the weekend but some of the inconsistencies are unforgivable.
The storm troopers armed with anti lightsabre weaponary is one of my favourites. The exact timeframe between Lukes Jedi crew, Ben killing them all and TFA is unclear but we are led to believe it's a fair while.
Like the other guy said with 6 films of canon and millions of fans looking over his shoulder the scribes could still not make a consistent plot on a film with I would assume an almost limitless budget.
They did that with the EU. It's not the issue that it fits, the issue was and still will be putting something in a story that will then be expanded on in someone elses story.
About 10 years, it seems likely. Probably about the time that Rey was abandoned as the young girl in the flashbacks....
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