Fat Chance of Work

They should consider slashing benefits for people like that and moving them to food vouchers or meals on wheels until they lose weight. Just like someone claiming JSA has to look for work someone on disability benefits due to something they caused and could change/correct ought to have an obligation to work towards correcting it. Make them log what they eat and how much they weigh each week... and when they get to the point where they can exercise then log attendance at local council sports centre. Just as JSA clasnts have to show they're trying to find work.

Frankly it ought to be a completely different benefit for 'disabled' people who caused and can correct their condition.
 
robfosters said:
Yes let's give a morbidly obese individual a payment that they can only use for even more food.

Let's not worry about the stigma either eh. Do you know how embarrassing it would be to pay in shops with a benefit debit card. Jesus!
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Actually I would support them getting MORE Benefits to spend on HEALTHY food only than spend what they normally do on junk food/cakes as this would ultimately be of greater benefits to both them and the future NHS costs, but the only way they could possibly hope to implement such a thing is via a highly controlled system of payments which would involve the small 'stigma' of a Govt. 'Hand Outs' Card.

It's the wasters who blow their benefits on frivolous luxuries like Sky, iPhones, booze, weed, fags, trainers and betting slips that get my goat not the truly in-need.
 
Jono8 said:
Just be thankful you are not like that and take pity on them.

I would rather be healthy and work for a living than be a fat slob, sit around watching TV and playing Xbox all day, whilst being supported by the government.
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Indeed.

People fail to realise people who end up in these situations are deeply troubled in some form, for example you go speak to any homeless person you'll see they have some sort of issue that has led them there whether it's mental or a broken home.

Watched a documentary on bbc iplayer by prof green and all homeless people are just damaged in some way (then use drugs to forget it which in the long run makes it worse). Some get out by confronting their issues, others end up dying on the street. And the cycle goes on.

Some woman who is fat and lives on dole I really really doubt she enjoys what she does (If you think they do you're naive, maybe in some rare ass case possibly). But people like that are messed up and caught in vicious cycles. She needs some kind of treatment really. Stomach tie, forced starvation. Anything to kick-start a positive cycle she would need to start an upward spiral of change.

But there we go. I don't point the finger of contempt often, I try to think a little deeper when I look at something.

These programmes are just designed to rile people up and appeal to our lower quality thought patterns.
 
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maccapacca said:
And if they made a programme about the NHS being sold off, people's contracts being ripped up before their eyes and re written and the cover up of paedophilia in government and other large institutions you probably wouldn't watch it because benefits rage.
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Exactamundo!!!

Programs like this are made because while our attention is focused at those at the 'bottom'(so to speak) of society we aren't watching what's going on at the 'top'

Nix said:
Oooh contentious. :D
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and absolutely 100%, bang on the money.
 
CREATIVE!11 said:
Indeed.

People fail to realise people who end up in these situations are deeply troubled in some form, for example you go speak to any homeless person you'll see they have some sort of issue that has led them there whether it's mental or a broken home.

Watched a documentary on bbc iplayer by prof green and all homeless people are just damaged in some way (then use drugs to forget it which in the long run makes it worse).

Some woman who is fat and lives on dole I really really doubt she enjoys what she does. But people like that are messed up and caught in vicious cycles. She needs some kind of treatment really. Stomach tie, forced starvation. Anything to kickstart a positive cycle she would need to change.

But there we go. I don't point the finger of contempt often, I try to think a little deeper when I look at something.
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Yea but I mean maybe she needs a full size mirror installing in her only person who can really kick start her life is herself by taking positive action. By paying her a gross amount of money to effectively be disabled and stay at home playing computer games all day is not positive. She needs to get off her *** quite literally and sort herself out.

There is far too much module coddling going on. Since when was personal responsibility levied against The states ability to provide? There are loads of jobs you can do even if overweight. Is she thick too or or just lazy enough to never question her own life because it seems to comfortable and reliable she doesn't have to push her boundries?
 
wordy said:
Exactamundo!!!

Programs like this are made because while our attention is focused at those at the 'bottom'(so to speak) of society we aren't watching what's going on at the 'top'



and absolutely 100%, bang on the money.
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Also, I lived with a guy and we had a situation I laughed at, he'd rage about benefits constantly. But when I linked him stuff on tax dodging / corporate fraud yada yada it was too much for him to handle. I saw his tiny brain on overload.

The thing is, this kind of rubbish TV is just a low hanging fruit which requires no concious thought to gripe at.

To go out into the world and make real change requires you to think. People don't want to do that.

The Running Man said:
Yea but I mean maybe she needs a full size mirror installing in her only person who can really kick start her life is herself by taking positive action. By paying her a gross amount of money to effectively be disabled and stay at home playing computer games all day is not positive. She needs to get off her *** quite literally and sort herself out.
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I don't disagree, she needs something to be done (for her own personal well-being). But it can be an addictive cycle to fall into in regards to food, you comfort eat cause you're ****ed up, you get fat, you get more ****ed up.

She should be seeing a counsellor (Setting achievable targets etc gradually) who makes incremental change and if her side of the bargain is not met then there has to be some sort of "stick" so to say. In the immediate moment she may be like oh god this is hard it sucks, but long run it'll feel far better for her and the countries wallet.

The same goes for long term unemployed, really sit down take a look at what's up, make an action plan.

pokerking said:
Should they be treated in a mental institution after all it HAS to be mental, this is just one woman but there must be 100,000s living like this.
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Yep, it'll start in the mind. I know my own dad despite developing type 2 diabetes couldn't give up sugar, I had to work with him and gradually pressure him to replace certain choices with other ones and then only allow yourself for example a little "cheat" treat.

But just paying benefits to someone and leaving them to their own devices is not the answer, it hurts the country and it hurts them long term.
 
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If your anorexic to the point your a danger to yourself they'll section you.

Why if you eat yourself into epic danger and disability do they not so the same?
 
robfosters said:
Yes let's give a morbidly obese individual a payment that they can only use for even more food.

Let's not worry about the stigma either eh. Do you know how embarrassing it would be to pay in shops with a benefit debit card. Jesus!
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Does this card aound a klaxon and scream "dole scrounger!!!" When used?

Does it not jist look exactly like every other prepaid debit card?


But on the subject rob do you really check out the cards people hse in shops and judge them for it?

Cause that seems retarded.
 
I just don't see how it's fair to give genuinely disabled people who cannot work a benefits card that they can only buy food with. What is a disabled person supposed to do if they can only buy food with their benefits? They have a right to live as well, not just exist.
 
maccapacca said:
And if they made a programme about the NHS being sold off, people's contracts being ripped up before their eyes and re written and the cover up of paedophilia in government and other large institutions you probably wouldn't watch it because benefits rage.
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Get everyone to look down, then they are too busy to look up. Genius plan by government.
 
Eurofighter said:
i am on disability benefits and i get no where near that much money.

before you all complain try living on benefits. I earned a lot more when I worked.
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It's probably a combination of ESA for her, income support for him, carers allowance and DLA higher rate care and mobility. It can easy hit £1500pm. Her benefits alone will top £1k pm.

£1500pm is way too much for just food. They need to do something with the surplus.
 
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