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Zethor said:
You said Muslim immigration was a bad thing? Meaning what? I complained about the lack of suggested solutions, you and most of the other posters ramble on about how bad Islam is but when someone asks you what we can do about it all you can muster is either insane or ridiculous.

Yes I'm dismissing the criticism because it's blind bashing that accomplishes nothing. Muslims are going nowhere, get it through your thick skulls, they are here to stay and there are billions of them. Furthermore, their religion won't reform on your command nor will it start being practiced differently. These are solid facts no matter how much you moan, shake your fists and your pitchforks.

The solution to this problem must be precisely targetted at the jihadists. It should have an internal policy element ( this where govt programs and the Muslim community need to contribute to give more choices to marginalised young men) and it should have a foreign affairs element, which probably means a ground intervention in Syria.
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So are you a muslim? You seem quite angry/frustrated about fairly legitemate criticism.
 
Screeeech said:
There are roughly 3 Million Muslims in the UK, aside from whether I think your idea is stupid or not, how exactly do you go about banning a religion practised by 3 million people? Taking into account the fact that of that 3 Million roughly 99.999999% of them are not terrorists, do not agree with terrorism and won't ever hurt anyone?

In your idea, as well as describing how you'd actually enforce a ban - how would you enforce it without creating more division and hatred than already exists? (the very thing you initially set out to defeat)
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We have come too far to create an overnight fix for the problem

The abolision of Islamic practice on UK ( or non-Islamic ) soil.

The cost of re-patriating anyone who doesn't want to accept a Western way of life would be miniscule compared to permanant free healthcare and education.

Though i doubt that there would be any takers for this, as they embrace all the freebies the West offers, yet still regard it as the enemy.

Islam - i'll take all the good parts that West offers and benefits me, but still throw it back at you when i cannot get more.

The western culture and Islam are not a good mix, yet thousands still continue to come the West to seek a better life but wanting to bring their lifestyle with them.

How difficult is it to accept you are in a different culture - you abide by that cultures rules ?
 
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dowie said:
From a muslim background? It just seems rather odd that you're so frustrated at criticism/opposing views.
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No dowie. But even if that were the case, my positions are based on facts, logic and critical thinking.
I'm frustrated because you are bashing innocent people as casually as discussing the weather and because the fascist authoritanianism many of you support is more dangerous than any terrorist.
 
Brizzles said:
We have come too far to create an overnight fix for the problem

The abolision of Islamic practice on UK ( or non-Islamic ) soil.

The cost of re-patriating anyone who doesn't want to accept a Western way of life would be miniscule compared to permanant free healthcare and education.
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Ok so, send em back is the first part of the grand plan, what about the couple of million/few hundred thousand Muslims who were born here? where do we send em back to? or do we just send em back anywhere, so long as it's not the UK?
 
Zethor said:
No dowie. But even if that were the case, my positions are based on facts, logic and critical thinking.
I'm frustrated because you are bashing innocent people as casually as discussing the weather and because the fascist authoritanianism many of you support is more dangerous to our civilisation than any terrorist.
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But I'm not bashing innocent people I'm criticisng an ideology and sharing my views on it. You're not using critical thinking and logic when you're chucking in the odd straw man as per your above post so frankly you can get off your high horse. Ditto to the ad hominem attempts re: getting things through people's 'thick skulls'. Try to stick to the actual arguments presented as you've now got no credibility to then claim your 'positions are based on facts, logic and critical thinking'. Incorrectly using terms like 'fascist' and 'authoritarianism' isn't helping there either.
 
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Screeeech said:
Ok so, send em back is the first part of the grand plan, what about the couple of million/few hundred thousand Muslims who were born here? where do we send em back to? or do we just send em back anywhere, so long as it's not the UK?
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Then we outlaw the practice of Islam - Remove mosques, break up the secular ( we are right/the west is evil ) attitude that Islam promotes.

All people born here were born into a western culture, the fact that they are not happy is a common issue, but Islam seems to give them a right/direction to hit out.
 
Brizzles said:
Then we outlaw the practice of Islam - Remove mosques, break up the secular ( we are right/the west is evil ) attitude that Islam promotes.
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Ok, so we outlaw the religion entirely, followed by the demolition of all mosques and places of Islamic worship.

To expand on that, how exactly would you demolish mosques, how would you deal with this in a legal and fair fashion? or would you simply order bulldozers and bailiffs to start demolishing these places with immediate effect, on the basis that it's more important to get these things razed as quickly as possible, rather than provide any fair and legal framework for it to be achieved?

And what about the Koran? presumably you'd make it a criminal offence to be in possession of a copy?

Brizzles said:
All people born here were born into a western culture, the fact that they are not happy is a common issue, but Islam seems to give them a right/direction to hit out.
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Ok, so Muslims born here should at least be given a grace period to abandon their faith and presumably turn secular or convert to a non-terrorist faith such as Christianity,

Obviously there would be a large majority (I'd predict around 100%) who refuse to abandon their faith - what would you do with them exactly, where would you send them?
 
Brizzles said:
Lol, why should more be done for Muslims, than any other deprived person/community.

I don't see the local unemployed bombing people.
I don't see my neighbourhood 'chavs' bombing people.
I don't wake up in the morning and think life isn't fair and choose to bomb people.

They have exactly the same options as all people born in the UK, free healthcare, free education - Thats a bloody good kick start in life that millions would be grateful for.

Then they get poisoned by their parents/community/religion.

Stop blaming outside sources, when the issue lies within.
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I have said this before in other threads, i really do not understand how the west haters on here fail to see the above, we are ****** if they carry on believing that Islam is not the problem, any rational mind can clearly see it is Islam..
 
Hitman_Leon said:
Boko Haram!

Topic seems to have drifted off mostly into ideology and petty bickering rather than the events that happened, wouldn't the ISIS thread be a better place for such shenanigans.
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Nothing new here bud, hence why I tend to stay out of these types of threads these days. You'll have about 10 pages tops discussing the actual subject and the remainder fifty of the same islamaphobes banging on about how islam is the problem to everything in the world - including easter eggs.

Tis just the usual candidates trying to spread their bigoted hate as usual in any thread that can be related to Islam.

Same names, different day - YAWN!
 
People think there is a lot of muslim hatred but you only have to look at the way in which they want things in this country to be their way, how they can get things changed easily, how they rage about anything that goes against 'their' religion and how they actually 'hate' the western world!

I am not saying it is 'all' muslims that think this way but its a massive % and especially in the youth. They just hate anything that is non-muslim! They want to live here but wont live by 'uk' standards.

Could we not ban the mosque and then turn the others into 'all day breakfast' places?
 
This is an interesting saying: wherever islam is the minority, they're obsessed with minority rights--but wherever islam is the majority, there are no minority rights.
 
Moses said:
Why ban the entire religion? I get banning radical Islam through various measures (eg. stuff under hate speech rules/banning radical preachers who want to come here/etc)... but banning the entire religion seems like overkill, as well as risking radicalising significantly more people. But combating radical Islam could be done at the same time as doing what I suggest... either way would have a positive effect, but the two combined would be more effective.
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Because even after 40 odd years of attempted intergration the current generation of Islamic followers are still attacking the Western culture.

Each generation of home born Muslim/Islamists should have been fully educated in western culture and with that, passed down to the next.
Instead the opposite is happening with communities holding these murderers up as idols.

Moses said:
Lol @ saying Saudi do something so we should do similar. They're utterly mental, and one of the last countries I'd want to model ourselves on. Does there aggressive suppression of religion work? No, they just get mosque bombs etc...
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I picked Saudi as an example of an Islamic country, hence my use of 'for instance' . I could have typed Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Oman, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait and non-Arab nations such as Turkey, Northern Cyprus, Iran, and Azerbaijan. South Asia: Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh and the Maldives. Southeast Asia: Indonesia, Brunei and Malaysia. East Asia: parts of China (Ningxia)

But you knew that and just wanted something to bulk your post out with.
 
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