980 Vs Nano

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 26 Mar 2016 at 15:38

Jono8 said:
Well that is good that it got fixed, because AMD looked dreadful at first.

All things being said though, they are pretty equally performing cards if you look across a whole spread of games.

I just couldn't understand why the other guy was so amazed that the 290/390 could keep up with the 970 when they are essentially in the same performance/price bracket. There are always and have always been games that one vendor does better in than the other.

Which again meant nothing since above 60FPS the engine Bethesda used screwed up physics - it is the same issue they had in previous games.

So all the people shouting "terrible" actually never had run some of the Bethesda games beforehand - the engine they used is ancient. It is a modified engine based on the one in Skyrim which showed the same behaviour.

Reviews edited files so they could enable higher FPS which meant physics were screwed up.

The R9 290 series was launched at the same time as the GTX780 and was trading blows with that. The GTX970 was destroying the R9 290 series. I am amazed since that even after 2.5 years,it seems competitive even though "Dat' Gameworks effect" and "AMD rubbish drivers(tm)" it seems to held its own.

Plus many of the R9 290 reviews are still using the fail reference cooled model and it is hard to say whether they have tested with the newer drivers or not.

The non-reference models launched within two months or so of launch are less likely to throttle,so in the end the R9 290 series cards have done well.

Plus,the fact that a repainted R9 290 is still competitive shows that the base GPU has had incredible staying power.

TPU- GTX970 launch

R9 390 review this year

I also made sure I linked to 1920X1080 numbers too,which tend to favour Nvidia generally.

ICDP · 26 Mar 2016 at 15:43

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The R9 290 series was launched at the same time as the GTX780 and was trading blows with that.

You need to reword that sentence, I assume you meant R9 290 was released at the time GTX780 was still the current Nvidia GPU?

GTX780 was released ~8 months prior to R9 290.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 26 Mar 2016 at 15:49

ICDP said:
You need to reword that sentence, I assume you meant R9 290 was released at the time GTX780 was still the current Nvidia GPU?

GTX780 was released ~8 months prior to R9 290.

Yes,I meant that - the GTX780 had been out for around 4 to 5 months at that time at around £500.

The Titan was the one that launched earlier.

But in the end,it held its own against two generations of competing Nvidia GPUs.

That is even with "Dat Gameworks effect" and "AMD rubbish drivers(tm)" and so on.

The last time AMD/ATI achieved that was two generations of the Nvidia FX series.

ICDP · 26 Mar 2016 at 16:01

What is quite telling in those charts is that the relative overall performance of 780, 780Ti and 970 has remained similar over that period. The other evidence points to 290 and 290X gaining performance since release compared to 780 and 780Ti.

Lokken86 · 26 Mar 2016 at 16:05

Its funny how a thread about the nano vs 980 has turned into another 390 vs 970 debate.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 26 Mar 2016 at 16:06

ICDP said:
What is quite telling in those charts is that the relative overall performance of 780, 780Ti and 970 has remained similar over that period. The other evidence points to 290 and 290X gaining performance since release compared to 780 and 780Ti.

2.5 years is an eternity in graphics cards terms - that is how old AMD Hawaii is and TBH even Fiji could not convincingly beat it all the time. Probably one of the best GPUs AMD/ATI have ever designed IMHO,sadly hobbled by another AMD fail launch,which clutched defeat from the jaws of victory. Hoping RTG does better now with the renewed focus on graphics.

Lokken86 said:
Its funny how a thread about the nano vs 980 has turned into another 390 vs 970 debate.

Sorry!

Lokken86 · 26 Mar 2016 at 16:15

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Sorry!

I'm guilty too. I didn't realise

Phixsator · 26 Mar 2016 at 16:16

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Yes,I meant that - the GTX780 had been out for around 4 to 5 months at that time at around £500.

The Titan was the one that launched earlier.

But in the end,it held its own against two generations of competing Nvidia GPUs.

That is even with "Dat Gameworks effect" and "AMD rubbish drivers(tm)" and so on.

The last time AMD/ATI achieved that was two generations of the Nvidia FX series.

People often overlook how well the 290/290x has aged. Everyone and their dog wants new driver releases all the ****ing time and since AMD isnt doing that well drivers have to be bad right? Well this approach clearly has not been going so well for nvidia either who have really been messing up the high volume of drivers they have been releasing for the past year. My 980ti had so many issues the first 6-7 months i was starting to get really angry. So many game ready drivers that runs exactly the same or worse in some cases that i ask myself what is the point? I rather have quality than quantity.

That said i think we can all agree that there are always more to be desired in one area or another in either company, red or green. But if i have to do a complete list of shortcoming from both sides I will still be typing in a month's time

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tommybhoy · 26 Mar 2016 at 16:30

Phixsator said:
think we can all agree that there are always more to be desired in one area or another in either company, red or green. But if i have to do a complete list of shortcoming from both sides I will still be typing in a month's time .

+1,

Both have an awfull lot they could improve on.

P4Clock · 26 Mar 2016 at 16:47

wow this thread turned into a red vs green fight as they always do...

Ian Evey · 26 Mar 2016 at 16:56

P4Clock said:
wow this thread turned into a red vs green fight as they always do...

I think the 980 v nano title gave it away eh?

P4Clock · 26 Mar 2016 at 23:29

Ian Evey said:
I think the 980 v nano title gave it away eh?

no need for a fight tho, ask who can fight best my mum or Tyson don't mean she would come round and put him to sleep dose it.

Any way in the her and now it look lake all finger point to the nano so.. nano it it.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 26 Mar 2016 at 23:35

TBH,I would be inclined to wait unless you really need a card now. Pascal and Polaris are out this year.

Ian Evey · 26 Mar 2016 at 23:40

As above, If push came to shove and I wanted one or the other then I would get the better card for cheaper which is the nano.

JediFragger · 27 Mar 2016 at 00:39

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
TBH,I would be inclined to wait unless you really need a card now. Pascal and Polaris are out this year.

I'm fully expecting the 1080 Pascal cards to hit at £500-600+ easily, mainly due to the weak £/$ conversion at present

Jono8 · 27 Mar 2016 at 08:27

JediFragger said:
I'm fully expecting the 1080 Pascal cards to hit at £500-600+ easily, mainly due to the weak £/$ conversion at present

That will only happen if they perform significantly better than the 980Ti.

Dave2150 · 27 Mar 2016 at 12:49

maonayze said:
LOL You can definately tell that Dave is going Pascal next round.

It looks like he has now completely sold his soul to Nvidia and recommending a lower powered card, all for a few GW effects. They certainly got their Jedi Mind tricks working on him as he's even throwing in the old whinge about AMD drivers. Use the Force Dave, use the Force.

I recently bought an Asus ROG Skylake/980M laptop, for when I travel. I hooked it up to my 1440P 144Hz Freesync monitor via mini DP just to test, and it actually runs my games smoother than my 390X/Skylake setup does.

That should not happen, as the 390X uses 4-5X the amount of power that the 980M does, has way more transistors, shader units etc.

Still, my games run smoother, even at 1440P, on the 980M laptop.....

I also don't have any of the dodgy AMD driver issues, such as graphical corruption in chrome, which plagues my 390X setup.

I've bought AMD cards only since the 9800pro - as much as I'd love to continue supporting AMD and buy Polaris, I just cannot see myself doing so while NVIDIA's cards perform so well in comparison.

Gameworks was a masterstroke.

alex_123_fra · 27 Mar 2016 at 15:38

I'd get neither new. Picked up a used 980 Classi that gets 1600 MHz core clocks (on air comfortably) for far less. Other than that, wait for Pascal.

Lokken86 · 27 Mar 2016 at 15:42

Dave2150 said:
I recently bought an Asus ROG Skylake/980M laptop, for when I travel. I hooked it up to my 1440P 144Hz Freesync monitor via mini DP just to test, and it actually runs my games smoother than my 390X/Skylake setup does.

That should not happen, as the 390X uses 4-5X the amount of power that the 980M does, has way more transistors, shader units etc.

Still, my games run smoother, even at 1440P, on the 980M laptop.....

I also don't have any of the dodgy AMD driver issues, such as graphical corruption in chrome, which plagues my 390X setup.

I've bought AMD cards only since the 9800pro - as much as I'd love to continue supporting AMD and buy Polaris, I just cannot see myself doing so while NVIDIA's cards perform so well in comparison.

Gameworks was a masterstroke.

980m faster than a 390x. Yeah ok.

You know even if I had an Nvidia gpu I would still switch gameworks off for the performance. It literary adds nothing to the game. It's nothing more than a scam to make nvidia look better than amd.

melmac · 27 Mar 2016 at 18:10

Dave2150 said:
I recently bought an Asus ROG Skylake/980M laptop, for when I travel. I hooked it up to my 1440P 144Hz Freesync monitor via mini DP just to test, and it actually runs my games smoother than my 390X/Skylake setup does.

That should not happen, as the 390X uses 4-5X the amount of power that the 980M does, has way more transistors, shader units etc.

Still, my games run smoother, even at 1440P, on the 980M laptop.....

I also don't have any of the dodgy AMD driver issues, such as graphical corruption in chrome, which plagues my 390X setup.

I've bought AMD cards only since the 9800pro - as much as I'd love to continue supporting AMD and buy Polaris, I just cannot see myself doing so while NVIDIA's cards perform so well in comparison.

Gameworks was a masterstroke.

LOL, I am sorry, but what a load of tosh.